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09-14-2007, 07:39 PM
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Does Anyone Know About This?
Senate To Consider DREAM Act, Worker Importation Measures Next Week
Send a fax opposing the DREAM Act amnesty and H-1B/H-2B Visa Increases.
(September 14) During the consideration of the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 1585) next week, open-borders Senators will attempt to attach three proposals that would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and dramatically increase the importation of additional foreign labor for American jobs.
Senate Amendment 2237 to the bill, sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), is the DREAM Act, which would grant amnesty to illegal aliens that:
have maintained continuous presence in the United States for five years and was not yet 16 years old upon initial entry;
are of "good moral character" and is not inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal grounds or on the basis of being a risk to national security; and
have been admitted to an institution of higher education, has attained a high school diploma, or has obtained a GED in the United States.
In addition, amendments increasing availability of H-1B "high-skill" foreign worker visas and permanent residence for foreign workers and increasing the number of H-2B "low-skill" nonagricultural worker visas for seasonal foreign workers are expected to be brought up.
Efforts to add an amnesty for illegal farmworkers (AgJOBS) to the farm bill (H.R. 2419) have been delayed. However, pro-amnesty advocacy groups have been promised that AgJOBS will be attached to that measure this fall and signed into law
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09-14-2007, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ladym
Senate To Consider DREAM Act, Worker Importation Measures Next Week
Send a fax opposing the DREAM Act amnesty and H-1B/H-2B Visa Increases.
(September 14) During the consideration of the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 1585) next week, open-borders Senators will attempt to attach three proposals that would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and dramatically increase the importation of additional foreign labor for American jobs.
Senate Amendment 2237 to the bill, sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), is the DREAM Act, which would grant amnesty to illegal aliens that:
have maintained continuous presence in the United States for five years and was not yet 16 years old upon initial entry;
are of "good moral character" and is not inadmissible or deportable on certain criminal grounds or on the basis of being a risk to national security; and
have been admitted to an institution of higher education, has attained a high school diploma, or has obtained a GED in the United States.
In addition, amendments increasing availability of H-1B "high-skill" foreign worker visas and permanent residence for foreign workers and increasing the number of H-2B "low-skill" nonagricultural worker visas for seasonal foreign workers are expected to be brought up.
Efforts to add an amnesty for illegal farmworkers (AgJOBS) to the farm bill (H.R. 2419) have been delayed. However, pro-amnesty advocacy groups have been promised that AgJOBS will be attached to that measure this fall and signed into law
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Lady M., Thank you for the important information. Here is some info to follow it up, and why it is so important that we stop this NOW. After a certain amount of time H1B and H2B visa holders can receive citizenship. The problem: More and more of these type of visas are going to people not even working in the US. For instance, HP uses provides H1B visas to employ people in India for their technical support (you know, you call with a problem with your computer and get someone that doesn't speak English). After a certain amount of time these people can become citizens without ever even living here.
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09-14-2007, 11:10 PM
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Freedom, we're going to have to keep on top of these people because they are going to be very busy trying to sneak bills like this past us. They are determined to give these illegals citizehship one way or another and it doesn't matter to them what the legal American citizens think about it.
And, no ma'am, I did not know certain visa holders could gain citizenship without ever stepping foot into the country.....now THAT is outrageous!
When certain visa holders come to this country they are exempt from having income taxes withheld from their paychecks---exempt from paying income tax for five years (I think it is). I don't remember which visa's this covers......do you remember? There is a whole alphabet soup of visa's out there and it's hard for me to get the time to research all of them to find out what the perks are of each one. But when taxpayers are breaking their backs to make ends meet I don't think it is hardly fair to give tax exempt status to a particular class of visa holders.
You are soooo right, we need to hammer away at this situation NOW before it goes on any furthur......I'm with ya, let's go girl!!!!!!
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09-14-2007, 11:25 PM
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You know the problem is they will take the mile if we give them a inch
I feel for these kids , if they grew up here they are more american than many 3rd generation locals.
But the problem is if you give the government a inch they will take a mile!
I'd let the kids stay , but then how do you tell the parents to go home?
So parents and kids have to go!
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09-15-2007, 12:23 AM
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Peach, I'm probably the most hard hearted b*tch on this board because my take on the kids of illegals is this: If they have an "anchor baby" or mutiples thereof in order to enhance their own chances of being able to gain citizenship through their minor children I see them as exploiting their own child/children for their own personal gain AND they have not thought out the ramificatons of their actions before committing themselves to those actions. When they sneak in here they know they are subject to deportation at any time and if they choose to have children in this country they know a lame headed Am. Govt. will give those children citizenship status so they shouldn't cry when their family is being divided. They created all these circumstances themselves by breaking the laws of this country, a choice they made of their own free will, they decided to have a child/children of their own free will so they shouldn't feel that they can make us citizens feel guilty about their choices. If we had been making the choices for them we would have told them to stay home.
Pro illegal advocates trot out the kids to pull at our heart strings and that just doesn't work for me. All the illegals can go home and take that rag-tag gaggle of children right along with them.
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09-15-2007, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by wvpeach
I feel for these kids , if they grew up here they are more american than many 3rd generation locals.
But the problem is if you give the government a inch they will take a mile!
I'd let the kids stay , but then how do you tell the parents to go home?
So parents and kids have to go!
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I feel for these kids too. Just like I feel for the kids of American Citizens that have committed a crime and are sent to prison, and are separated from their children. The point is, both the illegals and the American Citizens are criminals. The difference is, the illegals don't have to be separated from their children. They can take them with them.
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09-15-2007, 12:05 PM
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this crap about how wrong we are to enforce illegal immigration because it causes separation of families is bull!lets look at it this way then,if a parent legally here commits murder,rape,or any other crime that warrents jail time should we give them a free pass due to the fact that they have kids and will be seperated from them,maybe we should just punish the single men and woman that committ crimes and give free passes to people that have families!sounds stupid doesn't it,but this kind of thinking is exactly the way our gov and these so-called illegal alien rights group think!all i'm saying is what part of illegal in illegal immigrants don't people understand!
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09-17-2007, 09:39 PM
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Peach, I'm probably the most hard hearted b*tch on this board
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Naw, honey, I'm the Queen Bitch, so move your fat ass aside. 
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09-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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Or give them the choice , let the kids stay here
Or give them a choice to leave the kids here and give up all paternal rights.
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Originally Posted by ladym
Peach, I'm probably the most hard hearted b*tch on this board because my take on the kids of illegals is this: If they have an "anchor baby" or mutiples thereof in order to enhance their own chances of being able to gain citizenship through their minor children I see them as exploiting their own child/children for their own personal gain AND they have not thought out the ramificatons of their actions before committing themselves to those actions. When they sneak in here they know they are subject to deportation at any time and if they choose to have children in this country they know a lame headed Am. Govt. will give those children citizenship status so they shouldn't cry when their family is being divided. They created all these circumstances themselves by breaking the laws of this country, a choice they made of their own free will, they decided to have a child/children of their own free will so they shouldn't feel that they can make us citizens feel guilty about their choices. If we had been making the choices for them we would have told them to stay home.
Pro illegal advocates trot out the kids to pull at our heart strings and that just doesn't work for me. All the illegals can go home and take that rag-tag gaggle of children right along with them.
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09-17-2007, 11:57 PM
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Naw, honey, I'm the Queen Bitch, so move your fat ass aside. 
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F--- you, my deah, I don't have a "fat ass".
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