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Old 08-04-2008, 12:03 PM
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That was a very different situation and your comparison isnt a comparison at all.

The only way it compares is that the holocaust is the reverse.

It started with PC lies and now is being corrected with facts.



Allied aerial photos of the Auschwitz/Birkenau camp show the alleged gas chamber rooms to have none of the holes cut in the ceilings where the gas was claimed to have been dropped from. Also, Auschwitz was repeatedly visited by Red Cross inspection teams who were allowed to speak to prisoner representatives alone, in order to hear first-hand of any mistreatment, chicanery, interruption of mail and parcel delivery, health concerns, food and ration matters etc.
Care to have supporting documentation from a unbiased source?
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:05 PM
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Insisting somethig exists is no proof it does.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Old 08-04-2008, 12:06 PM
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Insisting somethig exists is no proof it does.
True, but then again, insisting that something isn't isn't exactly proof that it didn't exist either.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:09 PM
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Im goign to argue with this Isreali trash. This didint its simply impossible. Its not debatable. Its like deabting the laws of gravity.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit

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Old 08-04-2008, 12:09 PM
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No, Hitler's war was against Jews. He hated the Jews first, then the Communists, not the other way around. Go back and read his writings.
>>>Could it be that he hated the Jews because they WERE communists??? He grew up watching what happened to the Tsar and the X-tians in Russia. I don't think your hair-splitting is worth a shit.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:12 PM
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Im goign to argue with this Isreali trash. This didint its simply impossible. Its not debatable. Its like deabting the laws of gravity.
I showed you how easy it was, you in turn stomp your feet, and pout like a six year old saying "no it isn't".

Not really much of a debate.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:13 PM
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Care to have supporting documentation from a unbiased source?
Funny you would say "unbiased"! Have you ever looked up who the authors were for the holocaust lie? It all goes back to a couple Jews that simply were repeated over and over by other jews, each referencing the original and some claiming it as their own work!

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A Factual Appraisal by the Red Cross

thunderbay.indymedia.org – January 28, 2005

There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.

This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.

The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.

The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues, "were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned under common law for security reasons." (P.74).

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Not All Were Interned

Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."

In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).

Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).

As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp in southern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report, "Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the Horthy Government in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the Soviet Union) with a government more dependent on German authority, the emigration of Jews continued.

The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the United States "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews from Hungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a message stating that "The Government of the United States ... now specifically repeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for the care of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed to leave" (Vol. I, p . 649).

Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.

A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).

The above is chapter nine from the book "Did Six Million Really Die?"
http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/18220.php


It was at the end of my OP in the reference section. There is more also if you need more references.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:13 PM
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>>>Could it be that he hated the Jews because they WERE communists??? He grew up watching what happened to the Tsar and the X-tians in Russia. I don't think your hair-splitting is worth a shit.
Nope. Go back and read his writings. His hatred for Jews was genetic, not policy.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:51 PM
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Nope. Go back and read his writings. His hatred for Jews was genetic, not policy.
Its a fact that Hitler hated commies! Do you dispute that? Just like the name calling here maybe Hitler attached some kind of genetic parallel to them but if you mean to say that was the root cause of Hitlers dislike of the jews then you will need to cite it.

Not only that have you forgotten this:





Did you see that? All ISREAL is uniting!

Thats 1933!!

The Jews declared themselves an enemy of the state when they launched a very effective boycott against Germany.

Do you feel that they were not a legitimate enemy of Germany once those actions were taken?

Hell we rounded up the US Jap citizenry and put them in concentration camps here in the USA when the country of Japan declared war on us!

So whats your point?
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:02 PM
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True, but then again, insisting that something isn't isn't exactly proof that it didn't exist either.
So you feel people should prove a negative then? You know that is impossible on any and every level. It is only possible to prove something exists, and its impossible to prove something does not exist.

Think about it this way, what would you use for evidence? Nothing?

The burden of proof is on you. Prove it exists. Prove the holocaust is real!

All the evidence I have seen so far shows it to be a huge lie that is now being covered up with legislation violating free speech.
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