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05-12-2008, 12:07 PM
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The True Root of Anti-Semitism: A History
Ever since Jesus kicked the money-lenders out of the temple (or more accurately, ever since scripture about this incident was taught as Christianity spread during the dark ages) Christians have understandably had an uncomfortable relationship with money.
Usury, for all good Catholics, was a strictly forbidden trade, "neither a borrower nor a lender be" was well-taken to heart.
Jews had no such prohibition, and so it came to pass that they enjoyed an uneasy socially-symbiotic relationship with Christians.
It basically went down like this:
Jew comes to town, sets up shop as a banker of sorts, specialized in money-lending.
Christian in trouble comes to the banker, and grudgingly asks for money. He gets what he asks for, but his way of absolving himself of guilt is to cuss the Jew out the whole time.
"You evil hook-nosed baby-eater! You're MAKING me borrow money from you! FOR SHAME!" A sort of hilarious transference of blame.
Most debts would be payed back in time, but some were not. Eventually one of two things would happen.
1. Someone important would end up in debt. Perhaps a member of the local court or gentry.
2. The sheer number of unpaid debts would mount to a large enough level to create a large public presence of unhappy borrowers who could not or would not pay the moneylenders back.
The result of either of these states, of course, was the expulsion of Jews. You can track records all across history of one king or queen or magistrate kicking Jews from one country to the next, and the next, and the next. It often happened when power was changed from one ruler to the next. It was just a way of clearing the financial slate clean and a good way to shore up popular support amongst your subjects.
And so my people were thrown around europe, defamed, and always always always hated by people who were disalowed from banking for being the bankers.
And that's it.
No grand conspiracy of Jews against Christians, nor blind hatred on the part of Christians against Jews. Its the result of an unfortunate circumstance that time has long since forgotten.
I'm not saying other tensions don't exist, nor am I suggesting that this bears any relation to the situation in Israel (which as I've stated before, I agree is not so one-sided) but the point is that we don't have to perpetuate overblown master-plans that make Jews out to be Bond Villians to find the roots of these problems.
So go read a book.
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05-12-2008, 12:46 PM
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Actually anti-Jewish sentiment was probably invented by the Greeks around 2300 years ago. The most likely cause was competition. Both were colonizing traders with a tight knit ethnic community and belief in their own cultural superiority.
The Romans were originally somewhat positive on Jews (particularly since they were fighting the Greeks on many fronts), but the Jewish revolt in the first century (and the complete subjugation of the Greeks around a century before this), made Jews very unpopular in the Roman era. This Greco-Roman tradition was passed onto the Church and through the Church most of Europe.
Usury is often used as an explanation, but the feeling was there before the usury, and probably usury was used as an excuse.
Being traders though did not help. There has always been a long standing apathy towards traders.
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05-12-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Actually anti-Jewish sentiment was probably invented by the Greeks around 2300 years ago. The most likely cause was competition. Both were colonizing traders with a tight knit ethnic community and belief in their own cultural superiority.
The Romans were originally somewhat positive on Jews (particularly since they were fighting the Greeks on many fronts), but the Jewish revolt in the first century (and the complete subjugation of the Greeks around a century before this), made Jews very unpopular in the Roman era. This Greco-Roman tradition was passed onto the Church and through the Church most of Europe.
Usury is often used as an explanation, but the feeling was there before the usury, and probably usury was used as an excuse.
Being traders though did not help. There has always been a long standing apathy towards traders.
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Interesting, I'll have to look into that more.
Thank you!
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05-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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Nonesnece this is just Nutjob websties. They are not valid. This poorly reserched.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Jews are NOT semites.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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05-12-2008, 04:28 PM
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Jews are NOT semites.
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You wouldn't know a Semite if one bit you on your ass, which as far as I can tell, you would probably enjoy and indeed pay for.
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05-12-2008, 04:58 PM
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One could not possibly "speculate" that through the ignorance of their own historical lineage, they did not even recognize God in the flesh when confronted face to face, and committed the "unforgivable" act of wrongfully having Him executed? Thus, God allowed the physical nation of Israel to become "non-existent", as punishment for such an egregious act. So egregious was this act that even today it must be denied. This could not be how the hatred gestated in a most unforgiving Christian manner, and used as a tool by many(such as the Hitlers of this world) to simply stir the proverbial pot of hatred in today's modern society? BD
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05-13-2008, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bluedog
One could not possibly "speculate" that through the ignorance of their own historical lineage, they did not even recognize God in the flesh when confronted face to face, and committed the "unforgivable" act of wrongfully having Him executed? Thus, God allowed the physical nation of Israel to become "non-existent", as punishment for such an egregious act. So egregious was this act that even today it must be denied. This could not be how the hatred gestated in a most unforgiving Christian manner, and used as a tool by many(such as the Hitlers of this world) to simply stir the proverbial pot of hatred in today's modern society? BD
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05-13-2008, 07:15 AM
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You wouldn't know a Semite if one bit you on your ass, which as far as I can tell, you would probably enjoy and indeed pay for.
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92% of Khazar descent....killers.slavists etc..
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05-13-2008, 09:23 AM
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The Banker story sounds plausible enough.. people who have to struggle finanicially their entire lives tend to evy and hate the Rich, simply because they feel jaded in life.
In the day and age of the 21st century there really is no reason for the Jew Hatred anymore.. I think its outlived its usefulness and for certain it Fixes None of the Worlds problems.
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05-13-2008, 10:43 AM
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This is what Scott Ritter said at end of his article;
Israel at present can have no friends, because Israel does not know how to
be a friend. Driven by xenophobic paranoia and historical grievances, Israel
is embarked on a path that can only lead to death and destruction. This is a
path the United States should not tread. I have always taken the position
that Israel is a friend of the United States, and that friends should always
stand up for one another, even in difficult times. I have also noted that,
to quote a phrase well known in America, friends don't let friends drive
drunk, and that for some time now Israel has been drunk on arrogance and
power. As a friend, I have believed the best course of action for the United
States to take would be that which helped remove the keys from the ignition
of the policy vehicle Israel is steering toward the edge of the abyss. Now
it seems our old friend is holding a pistol to our head, demanding that we
stop interfering with the vehicle's operation and preventing us from getting
out of the car. This is not the action of a friend, and it can no longer be
tolerated.
He then calls for a reevaluation of the US policy of aid to Israel and asks
that it should be "linked to Israeli behavior modification" stating that,
"like a child too long spoiled by an inattentive parent, Israel has grown
accustomed to American largess
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