Okay Holocaust Deniers, you Win!

oceanbreeze · #11 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent_Grey

I'll make it quite plain.

The above is meant as a joke. I'm not really suggesting that Jews got together and made these decisions.

The point of it is to underscore the absurdity of the conspiracy theorists on here who seem to contend three foolish things:

1. That Jews are PART of a conspiracy at all. Like we got together and decided to do things to exploit the holocaust.

2. That the Holocaust was not as bad as we make it out to be. That the numbers were way smaller. That essentially jews tried to make more out of it than it was towards their sinister goal.

3. That we even *have* a sinister goal. If we were in cahoots, and were "boosting" the numbers of the holocaust, we'd need a pretty clear objective, and there doesn't seem to be one that I can find.

I was just trying to throw a little fun into the discussion by trying to make people understand the physical impossiiblity of organizing post-holocaust.

Some people thought I was serious.

I'm baffled as to how.

NOYB and his stormfront friends can't understand reality or truth.

noneof yourbusiness · #12 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:56 PM

BBC NEWS

uh Concppiracy is not a valid term anymore or anything.

Zionsim isnt a myth. Its a is a PLAN a designed plan. A real estate swindle really.

There was nno Holocaust only cooks and fanatics. Belive in shit that they cant proove or see. Its liek believing in the tooth fairy. YOu people are really quite mentaly touched to go on about that.

noneof yourbusiness · #13 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:56 PM

BBC NEWS

Theya re differnt links I dont know why they give the same header.

First Zionist Congress
The First Zionist Congress met in Basle, Switzerland, to discuss the ideas set out in Theodor Herzl's 1896 book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State). Herzl, a Jewish journalist and writer living in Vienna, wanted Jews to have their own state - primarily as a response to European anti-Semitism.

The Congress issued the Basle Programme to establish a "home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured by public law" and set up the World Zionist Organisation to work for that end.

A few Zionist immigrants had already started arriving in the area before 1897. By 1903 there were some 25,000 of them, mostly from Eastern Europe. They lived alongside about half a million Arab residents in what was then part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. A second wave of about 40,000 immigrants arrived in the region between 1904 and 1914.

noneof yourbusiness · #14 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:58 PM

True Torah Jews Against Zionism

oceanbreeze · #15 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:58 PM

More Holocaust denial BS?
Why don't you just go to Cookie's site, it's in her link.
You'll fit in well there.

noneof yourbusiness · #16 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 05:59 PM

The Balfour Declaration and Settlement in Palestine
After Herzl's death, the Zionist movement came under the leadership of Chaim Weizmann, who sought to reconcile the “practical” wing of the movement, which sought to further Jewish settlement in Palestine, and its “political” wing, which stressed the establishment of a Jewish state. Weizmann obtained few concessions from the Turkish sultan, who ruled Palestine; however, in 1917, Great Britain, then at war with Turkey, issued the Balfour Declaration (see Balfour, Arthur James), which promised to help establish a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. Great Britain was given a mandate of Palestine in 1920 by the League of Nations, in part to implement the Balfour Declaration.

Jewish colonization vastly increased in the early years of the mandate (see Palestine for the period up to 1948), but soon the British limited their interpretation of the declaration in the face of Arab pressure. There were disputes in the Zionist movement on how to counter the British position. The right-wing Revisionists, led by Vladimir Jabotinsky, favored large-scale immigration to Palestine to force the creation of a Jewish state. The most conciliatory faction was the General Zionists (representing the original national organizations), who generally remained friendly to Great Britain

Agent_Grey · #17 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 06:10 PM

What does any of this have to do with the Holocaust numbers being inflated or not? Even it were true that the number has been exagerated (and I am NOT conceding that for a second) then what would that mean? What is the overall purpose of the exageration? The goal?

itsplayed · #18 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

I'll make it quite plain.

The above is meant as a joke. I'm not really suggesting that Jews got together and made these decisions.

Making it quite plain is great when your dealing with the sane, but it's obvious that you aren't.

noneof yourbusiness · #19 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent_Grey

What does any of this have to do with the Holocaust numbers being inflated or not? Even it were true that the number has been exagerated (and I am NOT conceding that for a second) then what would that mean? What is the overall purpose of the exageration? The goal?

Your on about zionism being a concpiracy . ITs not a exxageration it did not happen at all. Poltival prisonsers including jews were exlelled or put in camps or jails. Many died in captivity. If your were dachau you may have died cause it was a prison. A prison where dieases was ignored wher condtions were harsh and where other prisoners may have killed you. A guard may have too.

The other camps (of which ony two real ones were not in Soviet contrled space) Suffed dieases and death. One was was reported as accidently bombed I have read. When you destroy a large portions of cityies in one night many die and so many so that you can bury thim individual or with cemrony. Boming also destroys sewre and water works wich leads to diseaes. Food was in shortage for evn german citzens. And yes politcal prisoners didnt get any if there was none left.

Thats teh reality. these prisoners came from Germany Teh Ghetto in warsaw prooves without question that the polish hews were put there and they caused uprsiign in 44. This uprsing failed and the combatants killed. Then pretty mcuh anybody that was even suspected of being ivvolved that survied was executed or imprisoned in a camp. Jews in other eastern nations liek Russia are said to have been transported back to camps to be killed. This is absolutel nonesence. Holcuast fakers claim jews were a pressed miniority then calim there were some 20 million in europe. Not much of minority. It just didnt happen at all. And all the "my grandpa was there" and wikipedia links , and all the your nazi name calling in the world wont proove this myth a realiy.

Agent_Grey · #20 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

Your on about zionism being a concpiracy . ITs not a exxageration it did not happen at all. Poltival prisonsers including jews were exlelled or put in camps or jails. Many died in captivity. If your were dachau you may have died cause it was a prison. A prison where dieases was ignored wher condtions were harsh and where other prisoners may have killed you. A guard may have too.

The other camps (of which ony two real ones were not in Soviet contrled space) Suffed dieases and death. One was was reported as accidently bombed I have read. When you destroy a large portions of cityies in one night many die and so many so that you can bury thim individual or with cemrony. Boming also destroys sewre and water works wich leads to diseaes. Food was in shortage for evn german citzens. And yes politcal prisoners didnt get any if there was none left.

Thats teh reality. these prisoners came from Germany Teh Ghetto in warsaw prooves without question that the polish hews were put there and they caused uprsiign in 44. This uprsing failed and the combatants killed. Then pretty mcuh anybody that was even suspected of being ivvolved that survied was executed or imprisoned in a camp. Jews in other eastern nations liek Russia are said to have been transported back to camps to be killed. This is absolutel nonesence. Holcuast fakers claim jews were a pressed miniority then calim there were some 20 million in europe. Not much of minority. It just didnt happen at all. And all the "my grandpa was there" and wikipedia links , and all the your nazi name calling in the world wont proove this myth a realiy.

Well, I guess, let me ask the most obvious question... why do so many former German soldiers corraberate reports of the gas chambers and mass exterminations? Surely you can't suggest they were all bribed.