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Old 04-01-2008, 09:16 AM
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People I’ve read who wrote about fascism in the thirties and forties never completely understood that fascism was a reaction to communism. After the Axis Powers were defeated fascism was discarded as a form of government, or so the Socialists would like everybody to believe. The word “fascism” has fallen on hard times, but fascism’s machinery has been chugging along since
1945. Here’s why:

American Communists concentrated on solidifying their positions in the American government, in publishing, in media, in education, and in Hollywood after WW II ended It wasn’t until television sets became a piece of furniture in most American households that the Socialists/Communists tightened their grip on the most effective instrument of propaganda ever invented. Throughout that period of transition Hitler was painted as the ultimate villain; much worse than Stalin. Fascism is still portrayed as a greater evil than communism when, in truth, socialism/communism is fascism’s totalitarian twin. Hitler had this to say on the subject:


"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."

Hitler understood that the Soviet Union was the first modern totalitarian state. Monarchies of olde, empires, etc., were totalitarian, but nowhere near what the Soviet Union initiated. I believe that Hitler wrestled in his mind with totalitarianism since modern totalitarian government is a twentieth century innovation. It is still relatively new. Something else Hitler said is an insight into his thinking:

“The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”

Hitler was, or surely became, a totalitarian. It does not matter what other labels are applied to dictators and their methods. Defining Hitler as a fascist rather than a socialist neglects a simple fact: Totalitarianism goes by many names. The only distinction between Stalin and Hitler was method. Even before Hitler came to power the Nazi party recruiters obeyed a standing order:

Recruit new members from the ranks of the Communists because they always make the best Fascists.

Government will always be with mankind. Limited representative government is the best form of government. It is also the only form of government that makes nationalism morally acceptable. The one world government crowd gave nationalism a bad name because labeling all nationalism as harmful helps them avoid dealing with the concept of limited representative government.

Unfortunately, the 20th century procession of totalitarian governments appears to have destroyed any chance of America returning to the limited government the Founding Fathers designed. Not only is the possibility of returning to limited government vanishing, the totalitarians are moving
ever-closer to establishing a global government

Much of the sales pitch for global government centers on eliminating cross-border wars. That is pure misdirection. The true objective is to eliminate revolutions. Socialists/Communists fear revolution more than they fear war.

In any event, war is not the curse of mankind, but rather it is totalitarian government that is the great evil. As Hitler pointed out, the totalitarian state forces those who fear it to imitate it. America is still on the path to totalitarianism.

Those who rant against war while calling for bigger government would do well to add up the number of dead caused by all of the wars in the past two centuries, then total the number of murders modern totalitarian governments committed on their own people in just the last century. The totals should shock every so-called pacificist out of their cherished benevolent-government fantasies.

This next quote from Hitler is the most frightening of all:


"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

The final sentence in the above quote could be the motto for leading Democrats:

“We socialize human beings."

Were Hitler running for president in this country today his campaign slogan would be “We are all in this together.”

When socialism/communism fails, as it must, the apologists claim that real socialism was not tried —— as though there is good totalitarianism and bad totalitarianism. Those same people are pointing to today’s China and saying “See, communism is working.” Those same people never mention Mao’s cultural revolution and the incomprehensible brutality Mao initiated
against his own people in order to make it work at all, and they completely ignore Tibet. Nor do they admit that totalitarian governments must always brutalize the people they are socializing at the first sign of discontent in order to stay in power. Totalitarian governments must kill everyone who resists, no matter how slight that resistence might be, and they must kill quickly and without mercy lest they be overthrown by revolution. Global government will be no different. In the end, every totalitarian government will always do what Hitler, and Stalin, and Mao, and Pol Pot, and others did best —— murder, torture and enslave. Regardless of the evidence some still insist that a benevolent totalitarian government is possible.

Finally, I never understood why a political system that promises utopia has to be forced upon everyone except parasites. In one sense, Socialists/Communists with absolute power in their hands deliver on the promise; they send you to paradise in the next life if you dare question their
paradise in this life.
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Old 04-01-2008, 10:39 AM
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Here's the theme song for the campaign...

"We're All In This Together" by The High School Musicial Cast
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:12 PM
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Very interesting thread. Communism and Fascism are very similar indeed in that the common people of both are an underclass that is exploited and manipulated for the benefit of the elite ruling class.

We are in the synthesis stage right now where the desired result of the cold war is upon us.

If you haven't seen this video you should. Although it starts slow it is full of substance when it gets going: Edward Griffin - Soviet Subversion of the Free Press - An Interview with ex-KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov (1984) : Online Video | Veoh Video Network
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John Stossel’s article on homeschooling ties in with the Hitler quote “We socialize human beings.” that I included in my original message. Here is what Hitler said about children:

“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already. . . . What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”

I have one minor objection to Mr. Stossel’s piece; he places no emphasis on homeschooled children escaping the clutches of socialist/communist propaganda. The public school industry’s first order of business is to break children to the will of the state; teaching the three Rs is secondary. It is parents exercising “the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain” that has the Communists up in arms against homeschooling.

Here’s the Stossel piece with my highlights:


April 02, 2008
Threat to Homeschooling
By John Stossel

The cat is finally out of the bag. A California appellate court, ruling that parents have no
constitutional right to homeschool their children, pinned its decision on this ominous quotation
from a 47-year-old case, "A primary purpose of the educational system is to train schoolchildren
in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the
public welfare."

There you have it; a primary purpose of government schools is to train schoolchildren "in loyalty
to the state."
Somehow that protects "the public welfare" more than allowing parents to
homeschool their children, even though homeschooled kids routinely outperform
government-schooled kids academically. In 2006, homeschooled students had an average ACT
composite score of 22.4. The national average was 21.1.

Justice H. Walter Croskey said, "California courts have held that under provisions in the
Education Code, parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children,"
Justice
Croskey said.

If that is the law in California, then Charles Dickens's Mr. Bumble is right: "the law is a ass, a
idiot."

The California Constitution says, "A general diffusion of knowledge and intelligence being
essential to the preservation of the rights and liberties of the people, the Legislature shall
encourage by all suitable means the promotion of intellectual, scientific, moral, and agricultural
improvement."

That doesn't appear to rule out homeschooling, unless you read it as a grant of absolute power to
politicians.

Admittedly, the education code is vague. It requires children to attend public school or a private
school (where certified teachers are not required). But they can also be taught by
state-credentialed tutors. Homeschooling is not directly addressed. There's disagreement over
what that means. The court and the teachers' union claim homeschooling is illegal unless the
teaching parent has state credentials.


Homeschooling parents, many of whom have declared their homes private schools, say what
they do is legal. Up till now that's been fine with the California Department of Education. And
California reportedly has 166,000 homeschoolers.

Nationwide, the National Center for Education Statistics says that in 2003 (the latest year for
which it has a number), almost 1.1 million children were being homeschooled. The numbers
keep increasing, so clearly homeschooling parents think their kids get something better at home
than they would from public schools.

The Los Angeles Times isn't sure where the state law stands. "If no such right [to homeschool]
exists, as a court ruled, the Legislature should make it an option," the newspaper's editorial board
said. The editorial wondered why parents who teach one or two children at home need
credentials, while private-school teachers in classes full of kids don't.

The danger in having the legislature clarify the law is that the legislature is controlled by
politicians sympathetic to the teachers' union, which despises homeschooling. "Home-schoolers
fear that any attempt to protect home-schooling would end up outlawing it," writes Orange
County Register columnist Steven Greenhut.

It reminds me of what New York Judge Gideon Tucker said in the Nineteenth Century, "No
man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."

This particular case is muddied by suspicions of child abuse, but as the Times said, the court
improperly "used a single example of possible child abuse to throw the book at tens of thousands
of home schoolers."

I think the state court is looking at the state Constitution upside down. The court finds no
constitutional right to homeschool one's children. But in a free country, people are free to do
anything not expressly prohibited by law. If the Constitution is silent about homeschooling, then
the right is reserved to the people. That's how the Framers of the U.S. Constitution said things
are supposed to work.

Last week, the appellate court surprised everyone by agreeing to rehear the case. The San
Francisco Chronicle reports that the judges "hinted at a re-evaluation of its entire Feb. 28 ruling
by inviting written arguments from state and local education officials and teachers' unions".

On top of that, state Schools Superintendent Jack O'Connell says he thinks homeschooling is
legal and favors choice in education.

That's reasonable news. But why is education the business of government? It's taken for granted
that the state is every child's ultimate parent, but there's no justification for that in a free society.
Parents may not be perfect -- some are pretty bad -- but a cold, faceless bureaucracy is no better.

Let's hope the court gets it right in June.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Threat to Homeschooling
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Good post Flanders!

I think hitlers campaign slogan would be "Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists".

Oh wait a minute, George Bush already said that
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Concerning public indoctrination facilities, there is a great free report that downloads in acrobat from this page: the deliberate dumbing down of america

Or direct download here: http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com.../DDDoA.sml.pdf
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John Stossel’s article on homeschooling ties in with the Hitler quote “We socialize human beings.” that I included in my original message. Here is what Hitler said about children:

“When an opponent declares, ‘I will not come over to your side,’ I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already. . . . What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”

The purpose of the American educational "system" is to indoctrinate children as willing slaves of politico-economic Amerika.

I homeschooled my child, who got a GED at age 16, and entered college with ACT scores of ~32.

Read this as a primer:

ISIL – Bootie Zimmer's Choice

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John Taylor Gatto - Challenging the Myths of Modern Schooling
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If I were Hitler's campaign manager, the first thing I'd do is get him to shave off the mustache - he totally ruined that look the first time around. Secondly, I'd get him to announce his candidacy in a petting zoo as part of his image makeover into a "kinder, gentler Hitler". Finally, I'd advise him to focus his campaigning exclusively to cemetaries - the deceased vote is going to be key for him. I can't emphasize that enough.
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He would campaign as Hilliary Obama. Their policies are not far removed from his and could have the same results in the long run
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Well written, is it your own work?
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