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Old 03-16-2008, 08:03 PM
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Various Indian dynasties come to mind. The Mongol Khanates, etc. Yeah, as well as China.
Did you take latin at school ?
Have you read _The Decline and the fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon ?
Read it in French..

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Old 03-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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Rome died because the Goths and Visagoths were starved out and they didnt want to take it. THey killed Romans and destroyed Rome to get FOOD. friends.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:29 PM
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Rome died because the Goths and Visagoths were starved out and they didnt want to take it. THey killed Romans and destroyed Rome to get FOOD. friends.
England won the 2ww but lost the empire.

USA lost the prestige,the reputation abroad
and the independence to the zionist at home.
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Old 03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
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Yeah but that's OK mate we did not have that much "prestige" to begin with.
Although I just love that new Roman salute I learned. OK it's as old as the Empire but I just learned it. Bring the right hand across your breast,in a fist and tap your left arm below the shoulder, bring it back straight out holding the palm open and facing downward. Congrats, now you how to be a good US..Uh..Roman citizen. Whatever.
All kidding aside some disturbing parallels may be drawn,as I begin to study Roman and American history together. Caligula and Clinton being soul mates of sorts, do not top the list. It is that sensation that only our A-list politicians,families and corporations may flourish under our society, and all the rest of us really are the plebeian forces, id est the dirty red carpet under their feet.

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Did you take latin at school ?
Have you read _The Decline and the fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon ?
Read it in French..
I don't speak or read or write in any Romance Languages. My first Language is English and I am in the process of learning how to read German and Breton. Funny enough I waited till my early 20s to even take interest in learning how to read other languages. Better late than never I guess.

So, If I read it, it will be an English translation.

Also, there is countless competing theories on what lead to the collapse. My belief is that it was 2 parts economic, 1 part religious/cultural and 1 part military.

Which is the most widely accepted theory.
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At college we had latin and old Greek.
My favourite translations were the commentaries of
Julius Caesar ...De Bello Gallico..
His conquest of France and part of England.
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The beginning of the fall of the Roman Empire
started when the Romans instead of fighting
the wars themselves , hired mrercenaries to
do the fighting.
When the Roman military began using the barbarians to fight their wars the military did begin to collapse. Do you think part of the reason Rome had to use mercenaries was because as Rome became more civilized the common man did not want to spend his life invading and fighting brutal wars?

Do you think their is any analogy to be made that America now uses mercenaries like Blackwater and also foreign hired guns?
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When the Roman military began using the barbarians to fight their wars the military did begin to collapse. Do you think part of the reason Rome had to use mercenaries was because as Rome became more civilized the common man did not want to spend his life invading and fighting brutal wars?

Do you think there is any analogy to be made that America now uses mercenaries like Blackwater and also foreign hired guns?
I corrected my "there" in the quote. It is late, I am falling asleep and making spelling and grammar errors now.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:39 AM
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Over simplifying a bit. NO one factor can be attributed to the fall. The Goths betrayl certinal played a part but not all.

Everybdoy uses mercs. Its when why and how thats the isuue. Americans used Native American mercs for a long time.

using mercs certainly has nothing to do with civility in American citizens.

outfits like black water were used cause the military is in poor shape.Also I know they were thinking that using private soldier made those soldiers actions separate from goverment policy.
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Old 06-13-2008, 04:54 PM
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When the Roman military began using the barbarians to fight their wars the military did begin to collapse. Do you think part of the reason Rome had to use mercenaries was because as Rome became more civilized the common man did not want to spend his life invading and fighting brutal wars?

Do you think their is any analogy to be made that America now uses mercenaries like Blackwater and also foreign hired guns?
I think it was a cause and not an effect. In other words, I think they began relying upon barbarian armies because their military was failing.

I don't know about civilized, but the army used to be a path towards gaining land and making some money via plunder whereas it wasn't any more.
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