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07-27-2007, 07:49 PM
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I don't care if Couey is retarded....He was apparantly "sane" enough to survive other sentences in prison. It is unfair to expect law-biding citizens to pay for feeding and housing him. The State should give him crayons and a coloring book, put him in a box, and bury him.....He deserves to die and just as inhumanely as he killed Jessica. I was sickened by his "show" of mental incapacity as he sat at the defendant's table in court. As far as "tagging" other pediphiles: YES BY ALL MEANS DO IT As far as "tagging" HIV patients....It is questionable how that will be done.....Look at all the children born with HIV. Is every child to be tested at birth or what?
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I agree with all your points on Couey here Kat. As for your last question on children being born with H.I.V.,,,as I understand it, they'll be dead before they have a chance to pass it on....
Has anyone else heard differently?
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07-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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I agree with all your points on Couey here Kat. As for your last question on children being born with H.I.V.,,,as I understand it, they'll be dead before they have a chance to pass it on....
Has anyone else heard differently?
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There have been large advances in medical research for cancer and AIDS/HIV....People are living much longer with the help of medicine. Who's to say HIV won't one day be a much more treatable disease?
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07-28-2007, 02:14 PM
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There have been large advances in medical research for cancer and AIDS/HIV....People are living much longer with the help of medicine. Who's to say HIV won't one day be a much more treatable disease?
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I agree..... the HIV infection is due to a "living" organism, therefore if it "lives" it can be killed in way "not" to bring harm to the infected, its a matter of catching and surpassing the ability of the parent organism to morph in a manner to make the current meds only a temporary "firewall", when this position has been gained the "disease" will be a thing of the past. I read that "experiments" ongoing with reducing the patients core body temperature into a state of hypothermia were holding promise, but was considered to drastic for obvious reasons of immune system failures, and the treatment itself causing death. Perhaps they are leaning in the right direction. It makes one "wonder" if there has been any major studies of how this infection spreads in the more drastic climates of the world. BD
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07-28-2007, 02:45 PM
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I agree..... the HIV infection is due to a "living" organism, therefore if it "lives" it can be killed in way "not" to bring harm to the infected, its a matter of catching and surpassing the ability of the parent organism to morph in a manner to make the current meds only a temporary "firewall", when this position has been gained the "disease" will be a thing of the past. I read that "experiments" ongoing with reducing the patients core body temperature into a state of hypothermia were holding promise, but was considered to drastic for obvious reasons of immune system failures, and the treatment itself causing death. Perhaps they are leaning in the right direction. It makes one "wonder" if there has been any major studies of how this infection spreads in the more drastic climates of the world. BD
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I am sure temperature extremes have been tested in Africa, for instance where the temps are intense. In the 90's there was an experimental treatment being hyped and a few charlatans were fleecing HIV patients for no good end. They would remove all of the blood from the patient, heat it up killing all viruses, cool it and return it to the patient. It didn't work.
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07-28-2007, 03:34 PM
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I am sure temperature extremes have been tested in Africa, for instance where the temps are intense. In the 90's there was an experimental treatment being hyped and a few charlatans were fleecing HIV patients for no good end. They would remove all of the blood from the patient, heat it up killing all viruses, cool it and return it to the patient. It didn't work.
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I think the problem would be the ability of the virus to hide in the cells of the bone marrow which help produce the cells of the blood. Maybe more promise would be to the other extreme of reducing the core temperature of the patient to include the many "hiding" places of these lethal agents of the plant world. I really don't know, but I do know that an answer is there....somewhere, we have just not stumbled over it yet.
I wonder if they could not isolate a "dead" strain of this virus and introduce it into a healthy human, and closely observe what reaction the body had in combating this "intruder", to see what antibodies the body itself produces in a healthy person. I am sure that it has been attempted, it is so simple. It is the same way they produce snake bite antidotes, by injecting snake venom into a healthy animal such as a "horse" and then make the anti-dote with the anti-bodies produced by the animal. The serum "globulins" which are proteins are taken from a gradually desensitized animal(horse) and are used for rattlesnake bites, etc. There must be someone in the world that has been exposed to this virus and their body as naturally defended itself, if we could just isolate such a person and find out just how this persons body defeated the invasion, perhaps clone an anti-dote from their blood proteins. BD
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07-28-2007, 05:35 PM
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I think the problem would be the ability of the virus to hide in the cells of the bone marrow which help produce the cells of the blood. Maybe more promise would be to the other extreme of reducing the core temperature of the patient to include the many "hiding" places of these lethal agents of the plant world. I really don't know, but I do know that an answer is there....somewhere, we have just not stumbled over it yet.
I wonder if they could not isolate a "dead" strain of this virus and introduce it into a healthy human, and closely observe what reaction the body had in combating this "intruder", to see what antibodies the body itself produces in a healthy person. I am sure that it has been attempted, it is so simple. It is the same way they produce snake bite antidotes, by injecting snake venom into a healthy animal such as a "horse" and then make the anti-dote with the anti-bodies produced by the animal. The serum "globulins" which are proteins are taken from a gradually desensitized animal(horse) and are used for rattlesnake bites, etc. There must be someone in the world that has been exposed to this virus and their body as naturally defended itself, if we could just isolate such a person and find out just how this persons body defeated the invasion, perhaps clone an anti-dote from their blood proteins. BD
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My nephew moved to Socal in order to be a volunteer in a research program in order to help others. I know they did a lot of research and are still doing more. His health, his medications, his stats were closely monitored. He was diagnosed as HIV+ in 1985. Died of pcp in the fall of '92, completely exhausted, but well cared for. He said, "I'm just so tired. I can't do this anymore." He laid down and went into a coma and died 17 hours later. The only symptoms he had in those 7 years of survival were pretty mild compared to many....esophogeal candida, testicular yeast infection, wasting....But the varied cocktails that he helped research were intricate and, he felt, helpful to him. He was pleased to volunteer.
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