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Old 07-26-2007, 08:54 PM
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Also, how would this be different then say the world plastering a TB patients name across every tv and newspaper and attempt to block his passage of travel. The end goal is the same, protect the masses from a 'rogue' infectious person.

Then again a TB patient can't utilize the all-powerful condom for their condition.
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Well, I can understand the desire to know where people with AIDS are at, but how can you discriminate against them and not others? I have a an aquaitance that is HIV positive, but got aids from infected blood supplies. He is a hemophilac I am against placing any sort of tracking device in our citizens. Hell no one has suggested that we do this to pedophiles or child abusers.
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Well, I can understand the desire to know where people with AIDS are at, but how can you discriminate against them and not others? I have a an aquaitance that is HIV positive, but got aids from infected blood supplies. He is a hemophilac I am against placing any sort of tracking device in our citizens. Hell no one has suggested that we do this to pedophiles or child abusers.
This could definitely take a dark and sinister turn. Let's tag pedophiles and other child abusers first and always. Maybe they could be tatooed or painted....say with yellow hands or something. The HIV folks have plenty to contend with already. Some of them were infected by people who they thought were healthy and faithful in a relationship with them. My nephew was infected by a sloppy dentist without an autoclave.
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I don't think the idea is new to the medical community. Do they not already track patients with other diseases.
There would be nothing wrong with technology per say that would allow the medical files to be carried on any person with a life threatening or spreadable disease but it must be done on a selective basis and not on a compulsory dictation of the state. Just as the medic alert bracelets are worn....a micro-chip could store a persons entire medical history and carry it with him at all times to include the medications and allergies of said individual, the technology exist now to do such. But it does produce kind'a of a dark picture in the nature of "1884" in one's mind. But I still would be against placing a "SCARLET LETTER" on anyone. For if one innocent is punished unjustly due to no fault of his own, it is one to many. BD

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Old 07-27-2007, 03:34 AM
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Also, how would this be different then say the world plastering a TB patients name across every tv and newspaper and attempt to block his passage of travel. The end goal is the same, protect the masses from a 'rogue' infectious person.

Then again a TB patient can't utilize the all-powerful condom for their condition.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:07 AM
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There would be nothing wrong with technology per say that would allow the medical files to be carried on any person with a life threatening or spreadable disease but it must be done on a selective basis and not on a compulsory dictation of the state. Just as the medic alert bracelets are worn....a micro-chip could store a persons entire medical history and carry it with him at all times to include the medications and allergies of said individual, the technology exist now to do such. But it does produce kind'a of a dark picture in the nature of "1884" in one's mind. But I still would be against placing a "SCARLET LETTER" on anyone. For if one innocent is punished unjustly due to no fault of his own, it is one to many. BD
Then again...a micro chip is not degrading or ostracizing anyone...its a medical protection FOR the patient AND the public.
I simply resent anyone...my family in particular having to swim in dangerous waters unknowingly.
And by the way...there's plenty of human garbage not only spreading HIV..they spread hepititus C and other std's that generally is contracted by associating with degenerates.
Yesssss I understand alot of individuals contract diseases by no fault of their own...and it is determined that these kind of people, upstanding, good human beings would never comprimize other lives by a selfish whim.

Hey...alot of you gents invest alot of your tax dollars on lap dances, prostitutes and other various kinds of companions.
I really can't bet on irresponsible drunken one night stands.
Can you?
Hopefully these macho men carry condoms.

Now on the other hand, I LOVE Syd's idea regarding the 'yellow hands'...brilliant.
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This could definitely take a dark and sinister turn. Let's tag pedophiles and other child abusers first and always. Maybe they could be tatooed or painted....say with yellow hands or something. The HIV folks have plenty to contend with already. Some of them were infected by people who they thought were healthy and faithful in a relationship with them. My nephew was infected by a sloppy dentist without an autoclave.
First of all S/S, if child-molesters and pedophiles were properly "treated" for their "social disease",,, there'd be no need to track them.

Yes, there are the "Innocent" such as your Nephew being infected by careless and thoughtless people. That's the whole point of this discussion right now....

We need a way of tracking , and stopping the spread of this "Death Sentence" by said same creatures... True?
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There would be nothing wrong with technology per say that would allow the medical files to be carried on any person with a life threatening or spreadable disease but it must be done on a selective basis and not on a compulsory dictation of the state.
The article does not promote tagging every person infected. It says only those who they believe treatment has produced a wreckless will within the person.

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"Some of the infected people experience a change of behaviour and can turn more aggressive and would not think twice of infecting others," he alleged, saying lawmakers were considering various sanctions for these people.

"Among one of the means being considered is the monitoring of those infected people who can pose a danger to others," Manangsang said.

"The use of chip implants is one of the ways to do so, but only for those few who turn aggressive and clearly continue to disregard what they know about the disease and spread the virus to others," he said.

Also, the tracking would not be a database any public user could log onto at home and watch tiny dots move across a map. We have already proved that if a person with a highly infectious disease were to treaten the lives of innocent people, we would put it out on front street and try to isolate that person. How is this different?
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You really do not need a microchip to protect yourself.
From what I understand, this has nothing to do with protecting yourself but rather setting forth measures to be helped by others (ie. the medical world trying to protect yourself).


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I do not view people infected with HIV as garbage. The very small percentage that would intentionally infect another would not be deterrred by a microchip. If someone criminally exposes another to a life threatening disease that would need addressed directly as attempted murder.
I don't think this has said anything about viewing or treating HIV patients as garbage. It's true, the very small percentage you speak of are not deterred by anything . . . but is that not the point of extra measures?
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The article does not promote tagging every person infected. It says only those who they believe treatment has produced a wreckless will within the person.




Also, the tracking would not be a database any public user could log onto at home and watch tiny dots move across a map. We have already proved that if a person with a highly infectious disease were to treaten the lives of innocent people, we would put it out on front street and try to isolate that person. How is this different?
That was my position, if someone acted in criminal malice toward the public this would be no different than accosting someone with a weapon.....and I took the position that the criminal could be "tagged" just as anyone on home confinement. But some want "all" tagged and this simply would not be allowed unless the constitution of the US was breached in some form or fashion in relation to personal rights to life, LIBERTY, or the pursuit of happiness. BD
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