Universal Healthcare

SydneySteel · #11 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 02:57 PM

If the U.S. were to adopt a system of universal healthcare OR socialized medicine, not much would change except the taxes we have to pay. In those countries who have such systems, the wealthy still go to their own private doctors and their own private clinics and hospitals and still get the best of care while the rest of the people like you and me wait for hours to be seen, etc. It would all be the same except for the taxes. In fact, it would be worse since those of us who pay for our own insurance would be relegated to the back of the waiting room with those who don't.....Same song, different verse. Money makes the world go 'round and everything else comes down to it.

rob · #12 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneySteel

If the U.S. were to adopt a system of universal healthcare OR socialized medicine, not much would change except the taxes we have to pay. In those countries who have such systems, the wealthy still go to their own private doctors and their own private clinics and hospitals and still get the best of care while the rest of the people like you and me wait for hours to be seen, etc. It would all be the same except for the taxes. In fact, it would be worse since those of us who pay for our own insurance would be relegated to the back of the waiting room with those who don't.....Same song, different verse. Money makes the world go 'round and everything else comes down to it.

syndey, it has to be better, the Libs have been clamoring for this ever since the Hildebeast moved into the white house.

Really I think the less goverment does the better for all of our citizens.

steve k · #13 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:33 PM

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Steve would you like to have a discussion on healthcare in the debate forum? Canada has predominately socialized medicine and healthcare. That is NOT Universal healthcare or what ANY front runner presidential candidate from either party is promoting.

I think the Canandian system would not work well in America , however I grimace when I listen to people speak of universal healthcare as though it has anything to do with socialized medicine.

I do not believe socialized medicine is the answer, however I do think a universal healthcare system keeping healthcare private will reduce taxes and the cost of healthcare.

I would be willing to debate/discuss this with anyone. I would want to keep it civil and just an exploration of choices so that people could understand that not only is socialized medicine wrong for America , but that universal healthcare will lower costs for everyone and promote health in America.

I am pleased that not one of our potential presidential candidates has endorsed socialized medicine. Although a mix of socialized/private medicine works well in France they are different type of consumers and healthier. Their system would bankrupt America considering our state of health and that we want the most advanced medical interventions for any age or diagnosis. The Canadian system is okay, but would create more problems then it would solve.

I think Universal healthcare would lower taxes and healthcare costs only if it were a federal program as opposed to a state trying to accomplish this. America needs to face the healthcare crisis together and consider how it impacts medicine and economics. It would also reduce the amount of government hold on your private physicians ability to choose the right treatment for an individual.

I'd be happy to have a debate with you regarding Universal healthcare and I'll start by saying that if you think you would get tax relief AND healthcare, then you truly don't understand the way government works. Idealism and realism are 2 different things.

seeker · #14 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:34 PM

comments of universal healthcare....

seems most leading democratic politicians don't want universal healthcare, what they want is universal healthcare insurance coverage.....good for insurance companies...not US insurance payers.

vastly different, IMO......what I'm concerned about is how much this insurance will cost each of us......they are not saying that...and the conservative media is not asking for us....

remember the dems are in the pockets of the big insurance companies too...

the funny thing is that you think you really have something with the current system. all the current system guarantees is that wealthy people can get superior care in this country and the rest of us peasants can fight for the scraps. that is what happens when some rich canadian wants a heart operation and comes to america because he has the money.

you buy the scare tactics hook, line and sinker....

and BTW if you have a government pension or government healthcare your comments on this topic are bullshit. give em up. start paying like everyone else, then lets hear what you have to say.

bluedog · #15 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:34 PM

This is the problem....we have adopted a "UNIVERSAL HEALTCARE SYSTEM"...just ask any illegal immigrant that uses our ER system as a family clinic....we...do pay for this...with the cost being projected to the rest of us...and by the government funding of research....which the hospitals would lose if they failed to adopt this mandate from the Feds....so it simply is a matter of working out the semantics of the problem....for we all pay already for "UNIVERSAL CARE".....has any not looked at the price of meds....and even a simple office visit lately?....When I was a child....Dad would complain when asked to pay the 10 dollars per visit to our family Dr. BD

seeker · #16 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:36 PM

Will your taxes rise buy the 10-12K a year health insurance cost?

bluedog · #17 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:44 PM

What is needed is a way to keep the practice of medicine in the hands of the professionals.....and away from the politicans.....as the taxes already on the books would be more than enough to provide basic health care to any that is lacking....we simply need to make re-adjustments to the many plans that are now available......the ones that are more in need are the ones having the most difficult time of getting the benefits of our tax monies.....the "WORKNG POOR".....BD

bluedog · #18 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:53 PM

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What is needed is a way to keep the practice of medicine in the hands of the professionals.....and away from the politicans.....as the taxes already on the books would be more than enough to provide basic health care to any that is lacking....we simply need to make re-adjustments to the many plans that are now available......the ones that are more in need are the ones having the most difficult time of getting the benefits of our tax monies.....the "WORKNG POOR".....BD

I don't know about the rest....but I for one get tired of watching as many simply get all their meds paid for by the government....state and feds....and go to a "SCRIPT HAPPY" Dr. that provides "EXTRA INCOME" to the ones that dont even need the meds.....my wife..who works in the pharmacy business....talks about this all the time.....monthy...of all the expense...the most falls upon the government....and many of the meds are controlled and prescribed to people under 30.....one does not have to be a genius to know what is going on.....they get up to 60 tabs of controlled drugs...free....and sell them at upwards of 50-100 dollars a pop....they Dr. shop....faslify scripts...and basicly try anything to get their hands on these controlled drugs....and when caught...just a simple slap on the hand....and back on the street....that is of course you happen to be a celebrity...or a person of influnence or power....and then an example must be made...to save face...BD

bluedog · #19 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 03:58 PM

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I don't know about the rest....but I for one get tired of watching as many simply get all their meds paid for by the government....state and feds....and go to a "SCRIPT HAPPY" Dr. that provides "EXTRA INCOME" to the ones that dont even need the meds.....my wife..who works in the pharmacy business....talks about this all the time.....monthy...of all the expense...the most falls upon the government....and many of the meds are controlled and prescribed to people under 30.....one does not have to be a genius to know what is going on.....they get up to 60 tabs of controlled drugs...free....and sell them at upwards of 50-100 dollars a pop....they Dr. shop....faslify scripts...and basicly try anything to get their hands on these controlled drugs....and when caught...just a simple slap on the hand....and back on the street....that is of course you happen to be a celebrity...or a person of influnence or power....and then an example must be made...to save face...BD

This is just one area of gross waste and mismanagement....that could be cleared up with a little more oversight....there are many more. BD

flaja · #20 (**permalink**) 05-14-2007, 06:26 PM

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What has happened to the perons right to decide for themselves? I agree that the end result would be healthlier people, but still self determination would be gone.

A person’s right evaporates in the face of society’s obligation to pay in order to deal with the consequences of exercising that right. The right also evaporates when exercising it raises the cost others must pay for necessities. People that willfully lead self-destructive lifestyles put an increased burden on the healthcare industry- which means people who try to lead healthful lifestyles end up paying higher prices when they do need healthcare.