One Payer Healthcare

Deadshot · #21 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

You want a one payer healthcare system... Well aren't you libbs complaining about walter read.... That has a one payer system and acording to you guys it has failed

Failed due to mismangement. BTW, it sure looks like somebody's doing something about it now.

Read my example above...how do we help that guy?

freedomlover · #22 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

Dead, I really wonder how often the secnario is played out in the example you gave. I realise that not everybody is irresponible and bad things do happen to good people but why do my taxes have to go up for this? I don't mind helping others out, but still want to know more about a program before I jump on the band wagon.

Rob, my in-laws neighbor did all the right things. Had family land that he added to, two homesteads, money in the bank, money invested, insurance. His wife got cancer (a long bout) and now is forced to sell everything that he has worked his whole life for. Things like this happen more often then you think.

Since it is about taxes with you, how do you feel about corporations getting subsidies/tax incentives with your tax payer money, paying huge CEO paychecks, while cutting benefits like insurance to those that need it the most (the average joe that is just treading water).

rob · #23 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

Rob, my in-laws neighbor did all the right things. Had family land that he added to, two homesteads, money in the bank, money invested, insurance. His wife got cancer (a long bout) and now is forced to sell everything that he has worked his whole life for. Things like this happen more often then you think.

Since it is about taxes with you, how do you feel about corporations getting subsidies/tax incentives with your tax payer money, paying huge CEO paychecks, while cutting benefits like insurance to those that need it the most (the average joe that is just treading water).

Freedom, I have already said that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I am all for helping people in this situation. Af for your remark that I am all about taxes, let me inform you that I pay my fair share with no deductions. When the goverment offers to help, how do you think they pay for it? Thats right with taxes that we all pay. I am also in favor of some sort of plan for National Health Care, but I want it to be opitional for people that already have healthcoverage.

#24 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:15 PM

It seems like a much better system, by far, than what we have now. Therefore it won't work.

George O Well · #25 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:16 PM

I paid $109 yesterday for a quarter-ounce bottle of allergy eye drops prescribed by my doc. Who makes the most $$ off that deal - the doc for prescribing it and getting a kickback, the manufacturer, or the raider who gets cash from the manufacturer for NOT producing the drops when the patent expires? OR, is it the HMO that is able to have prescription meds turned into over-the-counter when they get too expensive for the HMO to pay for?

The entire system is sick and twisted. But it IS capitalistic.

freedomlover · #26 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rob

Freedom, I have already said that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I am all for helping people in this situation. Af for your remark that I am all about taxes, let me inform you that I pay my fair share with no deductions. When the goverment offers to help, how do you think they pay for it? Thats right with taxes that we all pay. I am also in favor of some sort of plan for National Health Care, but I want it to be opitional for people that already have healthcoverage.

Rob, I pay my taxes too. I would rather see my taxes go to help those who can't afford insurance, than to corporations that keep paying astronomical salaries to CEO's while cutting employee benefits. That is all I am saying.

As far as national healthcare, I think that there should be an opt out. I know that I don't understand much about the health care system other than that it sucks. I don't know why the government can't just offer a subsidy program, where (based on someone's income) they buy into any insurance program they choose. With that much competition, that would drive the premiums down and the benefits up. There would be no way of differenciating between the poor and the rich, so the quality of healthcare would go up for the poor. The poor would be more willing to get preventative healthcare, so as to lower their overall healthcare costs. And non-payment of hospital and healthcare coverage would go down, so that would also lower healthcare costs for all.

rob · #27 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

I paid $109 yesterday for a quarter-ounce bottle of allergy eye drops prescribed by my doc. Who makes the most $$ off that deal - the doc for prescribing it and getting a kickback, the manufacturer, or the raider who gets cash from the manufacturer for NOT producing the drops when the patent expires? OR, is it the HMO that is able to have prescription meds turned into over-the-counter when they get too expensive for the HMO to pay for?

The entire system is sick and twisted. But it IS capitalistic.

I think the phamacutical companies are making the money.

George O Well · #28 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:24 PM

I've seen expensive health care and I've seen budget healthcare. I haven't been able to tell the difference from a quality perspective. I hope you're not thinking that the AMA is anything other than a UNION.

George O Well · #29 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rob

I think the phamacutical companies are making the money.

>>>I guess my point is that there is no accountability in the system anywhere. But you're right. When Big Pharma can include the cost of paying off the raiders (who do NOTHING but take in cash) in their pricing, we're getting gouged big time.

Deadshot · #30 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 01:30 PM

rob, I know your not all about the taxes, but you do need to see that stories like the one I provided, and those of freedom and George are not the exception but the norm.

We have a few local newspapers in this area and at least ONCE A WEEK there is some kind of fundraiser happeneing to raise money for some poor bastard that has huge medical bills.

This system now is FUBAR. It may work well for you. It may work well for others, but it doesn't work well for all.

Let me give you another example though, not of no Health Care Insurance (HCI) but of limited access to HCI. A good friend has a good job with insurance, but he wants to leave to go back to school. Right now his hours are funky and both day and evening classes would be out of the question. But he can't leave, he's got a 4 yr. old with Asthma (sp?) with a baby on the way. He MUST have insurance. If there were Universal HCI, he could leave and take the next step forward in his life. Instead, while he's willing to take lesser pay, he can find no job with good insurance. So he's stuck.

rob, it's not just the people with no insurance that Universal HCI will help. But the people trapped in a job by insurance or those with sub-standard insurance.