One Payer Healthcare

Sam · #11 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 01:00 AM

Scoody your health insurance will dictate to your physician your care and it is lower quality when they do. I do not believe in socialized medicine. I believe in a one payer system where all hospitals and physicians remain private. Quality of healthcare relates to your decisions on where you live and standards set within the medical community. One payer system allows you and the physician to have the freedom to decide your care. Right now your insurance will tell your doctor what can and cannot be ordered and the insurance does not have any liability but the healthcare system does.You are paying for people who have 9 kids and no insurance and you probably have insurance that dictates to doctors what chemotherapy they can use if you get cancer. The oncologist does not even decide what will be the best treatment. He pays a nurse to investigate which treatment your insurance will pay for. People are so blind..you are on socialized medicine and paying much more for others care than you need to pay.Oh well..

Scoody Boo · #12 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 01:09 AM

Sam, if my insurance does not want to pay or expects me to settle for a lower standard of care than what I feel I deserve, I pay out of pocket. You see, I worked hard and bought a failing business and turned it into a screaming success. Made a shitload of money and last year I sold it. Paid off the loans I had taken out to buy it and still had six figures left over. I DO NOT have to settle for shitty healthcare and shouldn't just because someone else does.

seeker · #13 (**permalink**) 03-04-2007, 02:19 PM

Sam,

You can see the problem when you read scooby, rick and cc44's comments. As long as they think they are getting better care because they can afford better care than the average American. We'll stay with this system. I mean the guy who made the crap load of money doesn't want to lose out on that kidney to the poor schmo.

I have a dream. That every healthy person in the US cancels there health coverage on the same day. Then the insurance companies and doctors and hospitals will be begging us to sign back up. It would probably become a government crisis ending with them forcing you to buy health coverage. That would be a real eye opener for those who think we are free or that there is such a thing as free market for health care.

Lets call it COI day. Could you imagine the single day loss of money? Hazard a guess as to how much that would be?

rob · #14 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 08:44 AM

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Sam,

You can see the problem when you read scooby, rick and cc44's comments. As long as they think they are getting better care because they can afford better care than the average American. We'll stay with this system. I mean the guy who made the crap load of money doesn't want to lose out on that kidney to the poor schmo.

I have a dream. That every healthy person in the US cancels there health coverage on the same day. Then the insurance companies and doctors and hospitals will be begging us to sign back up. It would probably become a government crisis ending with them forcing you to buy health coverage. That would be a real eye opener for those who think we are free or that there is such a thing as free market for health care.

Lets call it COI day. Could you imagine the single day loss of money? Hazard a guess as to how much that would be?

Seeker, I guess that i fall into the bracket with Scoody and Rick. I have a healthcare plan that I worked for 20 years to qualify for called the US Military. I don't have a problem with the goverment helping to provide quality heathcare to Americans. But it must be paid for fairly. For instance a family of 8 should pay more than a family of 4. Also as Scoody said there should be an option for people to be able to opt in or out of this coverage.

Deadshot · #15 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 09:16 AM

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Seeker, I guess that i fall into the bracket with Scoody and Rick. I have a healthcare plan that I worked for 20 years to qualify for called the US Military. I don't have a problem with the goverment helping to provide quality heathcare to Americans. But it must be paid for fairly. For instance a family of 8 should pay more than a family of 4. Also as Scoody said there should be an option for people to be able to opt in or out of this coverage.

But fellas you can not "opt out", because we need everyone's dough! I'd be o.k. with you guys spending MORE to get even more coverage, but not opting out.

As to the examples of those who can afford or have good health care, well to be blunt the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It happens all throughout our society.

rob · #16 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 09:35 AM

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But fellas you can not "opt out", because we need everyone's dough! I'd be o.k. with you guys spending MORE to get even more coverage, but not opting out.

As to the examples of those who can afford or have good health care, well to be blunt the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It happens all throughout our society.

Dead I understand what your saying about thet needs of the many, but why is it that we would punish someone for working hard and becoming sucessful? I understand that the sucessful aren't having a problem with health care as it stands now but surely there can be something in the works for those of us that worked to provide a healthcare plan for ourselves.

Deadshot · #17 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 10:16 AM

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Dead I understand what your saying about thet needs of the many, but why is it that we would punish someone for working hard and becoming sucessful? I understand that the sucessful aren't having a problem with health care as it stands now but surely there can be something in the works for those of us that worked to provide a healthcare plan for ourselves.

Why do we punish the honest hunter going to buy a rifle?

Why do we punish the person who can handle recreational drugs?

Why do we enforce manditory seat belt laws?

Why is that at 18 you can vote, fight and die for your country, but not drink?

We do all these things because 15-20% of the population can't handle walking in a just buying a rifle or weapon, can't handle drugs, don't wear seat belts and can't handle their liquor.

We do it because not everybody is as smart or as competent as many of us. We'd do the same things in regards to Health Care. Because some people will never make more then $10/hr, some people could screw up winning the lottery (on a side note there are a lot of articles about people losing everything from 10K to 10 million won in lotteries), not everybody is as on the ball as you and I, rob. Not everybody works hard AND smart and sometimes bad things happen to good people. I'll leave you with an example.

The guy who's land we hunt on was a farmer/rancher for years, got divorced and got fleeced. He had to goto work as an Over The Road trucker. He worked for a couple of companies, both of whom went into bankrupcy. Last year he found out he needed back surgery, he had no insurance yet, he'd just started with a new company. On February 15 of this year he was eligible for insurance, they fired him on Valentines Day. He was let go because the company was cutting back on drivers. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he was let go because the company knew his surgery was going to run 100K or more.

Now what do we do with this guy, rob? His only two mistakes was getting divorced and getting hurt. He's not stupid, he works hard and had wellover 700hrs OT from this company. Don't we help this dude?

To help him you and I are going to have to give up a little. Sorry.

rob · #18 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 10:24 AM

Dead, I really wonder how often the secnario is played out in the example you gave. I realise that not everybody is irresponible and bad things do happen to good people but why do my taxes have to go up for this? I don't mind helping others out, but still want to know more about a program before I jump on the band wagon.

gixaholic · #19 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 10:25 AM

You want a one payer healthcare system... Well aren't you libbs complaining about walter read.... That has a one payer system and acording to you guys it has failed

rob · #20 (**permalink**) 03-08-2007, 10:28 AM

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You want a one payer healthcare system... Well aren't you libbs complaining about walter read.... That has a one payer system and acording to you guys it has failed

gix, point well taken.