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When DOCTORS inadvertantly KILL more people than Cars and GUNS......where the fuck are you coming from?


YOU OFFER DEATH.......and call it GOOD?


WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THAT????


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Of all the hundreds of dumb-ass comments I have seen over the months on this forum this is easily in the top ten. I have stopped even reading your posts let alone talking to you for a long time but this one is a doozy. You bring up doctors killing people...WTF dude?! Probate...rebate...masturbate...no, no, no-this is a DEBATE you knucklehead.

I go back to my long hiatus from speaking with you...

When reading this please consider this industry unlike any other...people who do not pay for healthcare regardless if the reason is inability or irresponsibility we will still pay their costs and that burden will be by those using the healthcare system. We need required health insurance for all with tax incentives for business who provide insurance and government support for the most vulnerable. Inaddition we need price percentage caps on pharmaceuticals and some other medical products.


We need transparent pricing and costs from hospitals and physicians so that normal market conditions will come into play.

Uh...thank you...they have proved over and over not to play by the capitalistic rules that people against universal health bring up as a sacred cow in arguments. That is at the very least disingenuous let alone hypocritical.

Healthcare reform is a boring dry issue but has to be addressed...it is unlike any other market in that no one will be turned away so uninsured will skyrocket costs. In addition price caps to some degree may be necessary...(I might be sacrificed for this statement but...) even the medical community themselves need to take a good hard look at pricing.

So in real time...a real instance...

So my GF and I were looking over the hip replacement bill this past weekend now that is all over with (she is doing very well BTW and a week ahead of schedule, the doctor was very good... HE DID NOT KILL HER Lookagain...what a knucklehead ).

Fact:

The price of everything on the bill is artificially inflated; so the hospital deems the RIGHT price necessary to get their cut (%) from the healthcare provider. This is insane...this is basically a set of fictitious standards that are not controlled at all. No common sense happens here. Basically at the end of the day the accounting is all screwed up because there are no real numbers to base prices on. After a while the healthcare provider can pick a price out of thin air and charge that. In any other industry there would be major congressional investigations and indictments like what happened with ENRON and WORLDCOM.

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Yes Deadshot...the uninsured costs healthcare consumers more than if we had mandated insurance with tax incentives and premium relief for those unable to afford healthcare.

Cat I do not know the hospital but in general there is probably a 40% cost inflation to offset for those uninsured.That is why this is o important. which comes first the chicken or the egg? Approximately 38% of Americans with no insurance if prices are not raised hospitals will not stay open. Yet is it fair to those requiring hospitalization to cover this cost? BASIC healthcare insurance must be required for all citizens in addition to transparent costs with frequently reviewed price caps.It all has to go down together.
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This issue is worth the concern of all Americans. The uninsured create skyrocketing costs, and their lack of effective health coverage directly harms the welfare of other people in society. Their avoidance of health care, especially preventative care, eventually necessitates emergency care which is left to be paid by taxpayers; their poor health assists the spread of disease and illness to others; they divert medical resources from preventative care to the care of preventable illness.Free healthcare would cause over consumerism and create long waits for trivial medical visits yet on the flip side Unattainable cost for healthcare create people waing until an illness may cost us millions for their treatment. Balance here is needed in basic health insurance for all.

It is for these reasons, not merely warm/fuzzy humanitarianism, that all poor Americans who cannot afford health insurance should have it made available to them by government provision. Medicaid putatively serves this purpose, although it has many flaws and is still not effectively covering many who still cannot afford insurance. The ability of households to pay for health insurance should be calculated carefully by economists.

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"It does not mean the governement operates hospitals and physicians."

>>>It should. Otherwise it's going to mean people like Frist are going to be hauling away truckloads of taxpayer cash.