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12-29-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by heyjude122
This is heartbreaking. Is there anything that people can do to change the way the system works? I'm sure you've tried, many times. Maybe we could get some competent people together? Keep trying, I know how hard it is. Been there and lost.
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Who would you contact, if you wanted to fight this type of thing? the state medical board?
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12-30-2006, 01:28 AM
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I've seen many a broken men and women who fought the system.
The system doesn't always win and I will add, winning becomes a double edged sword when it comes to a handicapped relative, son or daughter.
Signing over a human being over to big government is something we are encouraged to do these days and the expense of health coverage is used as a bait to relinquish our loved ones to a red taped filled beaucrat socialist system.
Take a hike is right Kix.
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12-30-2006, 01:46 AM
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I have no experience with this sort of thing and thankfully I have what is considered a healthy young girl. But it is across the board in the medical "industry". Try getting simple elective surgery, on a knee complaint, the list is endless but low and behold the leading Quaterback for the Greenbay Packers just did his knee and what do you know, the doctor is there for him. People sell their souls for a dollar and you are not wealthy enough to care too much about.
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12-30-2006, 01:50 AM
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I hope I haven't offended those who work hard for the public with this comment, I hope I haven't upset those that are in need and I hope I have made whoever you are feel bad about yourself.
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12-30-2006, 10:31 AM
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I have no experience with this sort of thing and thankfully I have what is considered a healthy young girl. But it is across the board in the medical "industry". Try getting simple elective surgery, on a knee complaint, the list is endless but low and behold the leading Quaterback for the Greenbay Packers just did his knee and what do you know, the doctor is there for him. People sell their souls for a dollar and you are not wealthy enough to care too much about.
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Bloke, I don't think that your post made anyone unhappy, it is a fact that the rich and famous can get medical attention at anytime, but the rest of us go on lists hoping that someone will be able to help us.
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12-30-2006, 11:31 AM
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Bloke, I don't think that your post made anyone unhappy, it is a fact that the rich and famous can get medical attention at anytime, but the rest of us go on lists hoping that someone will be able to help us.
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Rob...it's Greed at it's finest. 
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12-30-2006, 01:36 PM
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I again re-iterate that there were two people within the framework itself that pointed fingers. My point is that the individuals allowed the system to take over instead of taking a vested interest in this case.
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12-30-2006, 02:19 PM
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CM, that's the way it always is. It's always someone else's decision that needs to be made and there is never a human being willing to go out on the edge and say "Yes, we'll take care of this". You see, they view it as government money, not our money and no one wants to risk being fired for spending government money on "the wrong person".
Add that to the never ending reformation of these government agencies and the endless turnover of their underlings and what you have is a totally messed up system that sucks billions of dollars out of us to provide an continuous stream of jobs and job security for the overseers of our money while providing absolutely nothing to the very people our money was intended to help. And they want to add to this mess by initiating a federal insurance program? Forget that!!
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12-30-2006, 02:50 PM
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CM, that's the way it always is. It's always someone else's decision that needs to be made and there is never a human being willing to go out on the edge and say "Yes, we'll take care of this". You see, they view it as government money, not our money and no one wants to risk being fired for spending government money on "the wrong person".
Add that to the never ending reformation of these government agencies and the endless turnover of their underlings and what you have is a totally messed up system that sucks billions of dollars out of us to provide an continuous stream of jobs and job security for the overseers of our money while providing absolutely nothing to the very people our money was intended to help. And they want to add to this mess by initiating a federal insurance program? Forget that!!
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You are right but I do have more to add. Regardless of who's money is being spent when the spector of a lawsuit comes up (and this could be a big one that could go to the SC) then the "I dunno' fingers start to get pointed and especially among healthcare providers.
You might find this interested. One of the things that caught me as very strange is the fact that far too many of the administrators in this line of work these days have little to no 'hands on, at the bench' experiece. I have mentioned the work my girlfriend does and she has many years in the pathology lab itself and working with the patients themselves. She really knows how the whole system works and the ethics involved, and she WILL make the buck stop at her desk. She has had to give eyewitness testimony in cases such as this and has done many lectures around the country (she is in her late 40s). When she was recently going through a post-graduate program for hospital management (big medical community here) she was awestruck by the number of young people in the degree program that came straight from an undergraduate degree.
So Kix, this means we are placing a high number of inexpereinced very young medical administrors into the field to 'make money' who have no idea what the field really is all about. This was very alarming to me. My GF told me the professors were pretty hard on the younger people because they had never been faced in real life by cases such as the one I provided in this thread.
You might be offended by what I have to say here but the professors did get pretty hard nosed especially at the ones who had very conservative, unwavering views about right to life and abortion and how they would apply that to this work. There are many, many scenerios out there and my GF has to deal with a place that faces children dying of cancer everyday. You have to have seen these sorts of things in a lesser position of responsibilty before you can be given the big responsibility. You don't get paid the big bucks for just walking around in a Brooks Brother suit and pushing a pen.
I would NOT want someone far too inexperienced to deal with yours or the case I gave in the thread.
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12-30-2006, 04:47 PM
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You might be offended by what I have to say here but the professors did get pretty hard nosed especially at the ones who had very conservative, unwavering views about right to life and abortion and how they would apply that to this work.
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Could you expound a bit more on this please? I believe I know what you're saying here but I want to make sure I'm reading you right before I comment.
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