If you want to allow the government to decide whats best for your health care needs, then i think you get everything you deserve.

Unfortunately these poor people didnt have a choice.

I guess forcing people to commit suicide is ONE way of dealing with a broke-ass healthcare system.

Retired dentist and wife 'take lives in suicide pact as they faced being moved into separate care homes'
By LUKE SALKELD -

In almost 60 years of marriage Tom and Nancie Hughes had rarely been apart.
The joys and triumph of socialized healthcare for the peasant masses.

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This may be a common practice.
Dead people do not need nursing home care.

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Well, the problem isn't limited to just the elderly:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/ny...14nursing.html
Of course, if it weren't for socialized medicine, I doubt Stabiners would be alive - his parents wouldn't have been able to afford good medical help and their kid would have died from complications.

And I assume that the Ron Paul supporters want the old, sick, and fragile to die as the capitalists kick them to the curb when such people deplete their capital. A year or two in a nursing home results in almost everyone depleting all their capital - I doubt more than 5% of people have any capital left after two years in a nursing home. And most States and the Feds have "reach back" laws that prevent giving assets away even a couple of years before going into a nursing home.

But I would like to see the people who blame "socialism" for the social problems people face, because they don't have the financial means to solve the problems as they wish.

And if you say "individusals must take responsibility for yourself, then the couple commiting suicide was exactly a case of taking individual responsibility for their marriage vows. He took her and cared for her in sickness and health, for richer and poorer, until death did them part.

National Healthcare means more people having more medical procedures performed. Which means more malpractice suits. Which means more expenses passed on to the consumers' insurance companies. Which means more expensive insurance. Which means more taxes for those who pay taxes. Which means less money for OTHER essentials such as rent, food, heat, etc. So...

Now we need National FoodCare. National RentCare. National HeatCare. All of which will ALSO spiral downwards, requiring the need for National SatelliteCare, National CellPhoneCare, National CoffeeCare, and National ToiletPaperCare.

Yay. Since telling the Government to pay for stuff is such an excellent "solution", why are retired people EVER poor? After all, they have Social Security, right? Why are students ever stupid? If money ever SOLVED anything other than debt, we should have a 100% genius-level graduating class from Public Education, a 100% happy and comfortable retired senior generation from Social Security, and 100% healthy babies from the WIC/FoodStamp/AFDC/etc. programs.

There is only ONE case in which having the Government throw money will solve a problem, and that's if the problem is that the Government owes you money. That's ALL money does...it pays debts. Period. It doesn't invent solutions; it doesn't create morality; it doesn't engender charity. It. Pays. Debts.

That's what MONEY does. But the Government can't even do that, because the Government doesn't HAVE any money...it takes it from the people. So, the Government has no money of its own to give, but somehow people think that the Government's (lack of) money can solve the Healthcare problem.

It simply isn't that simple.

Medical Insurance premiums have to be enough to even the odds against medical expenses. Medical expenses are artificially high because, in part, of frivolous lawsuits that the GOVERNMENT keeps awarding. Medical expenses are also kept artificially high because of Medicaid...when you get Bureaucrats quibbling with Corporate pencil-pushers over which expenses are covered, the Medical industry ends up with large amounts of unpaid expenses. The medical industry has to pay their own expenses, so they have to charge the PAYING customers enough to offset the debt that is owed to them but is still unpaid by the Government.

So, yeah...it's pretty clear that getting the Government involved by throwing OUR money away is the best idea ever!

I can't wait for CoffeeCare. Have you seen the price of coffee?! Why should I have to pay $6.00 for a cup of coffee when I can pay $12.00 in taxes and make the Government buy my cup of coffee for me?!

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So, after trying to fight a rational healthcare system by claiming that it would ration care and prevent people from getting the surgeries they need like boob jobs and such, you are now arguing that national healthcare would create the exact same healthcare system that we already have in the US.

In other words, you have stopped pointing to Canada and say "do you want the horrors of Canada here by passing national healthcare?" to now pointing at the US and saying "do you want the US healthcare imposed on you by national healthcare?"

If you look at healthcare in Japan, Taiwan, Germany, Canada, Switzerland, Britain, France, etc, you will find the following horrors:
- they cost less per capita than the US
- they have fewer malpractice lawsuits
- they have far fewer expensive surgeries
- their healthcare costs have gone up slower
- their citizens wouldn't think of replacing their system with the US system

Clearly the problem that conservatives face is the failure of their ideology to trump reality.

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List the number of malpractice lawsuits in Cuba.

Universal care decreases malpractice suits except in the case of complete negligence.

Here is a source that compares models for delivering healthcare.

Theoretical Models for Delivering Health Care

Well, you can't look to that source for an unbiased assessment. That is an organization of medical students and they are arguing for a system that either makes general practice a viable medical practice, or that faiing that they will do anything but provide primary care to patients and will instead go into something else.

Are you going to trust med students who are threatening your ability to see a doctor if you pick a system they don't like?

ZERO!
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