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05-05-2008, 06:59 PM
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Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers
"To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:
_People older than 85.
_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.
_Severely burned patients older than 60.
_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.
_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers - Yahoo! News
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05-05-2008, 08:50 PM
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Just exercising their freedom of choice...I see nothing wrong here.
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05-05-2008, 09:02 PM
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Can we submit our own lists?
Just checkin'
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05-06-2008, 01:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
"To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:
_People older than 85.
_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.
_Severely burned patients older than 60.
_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.
_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers - Yahoo! News
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Nothing new or shocking in that. WASPington has been sanctimoniously triaging the entire world since Independence Day. 
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05-06-2008, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Les Patterson
Nothing new or shocking in that. WASPington has been sanctimoniously triaging the entire world since Independence Day. 
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I assume you're on the list.
Dude, alot of hatred in that heart, get it cleansed.
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05-06-2008, 09:22 AM
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Seems reasonable to me ..... and I'm an old guy. Anything deserving of the title "pandemic" would certainly exceed our healthcare capabilities. Priorities would have to be made. Those already having a good head of steam on a greased slide to the graveyard shouldn't be high on the list of priorities.
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05-06-2008, 02:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
"To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:
_People older than 85.
_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.
_Severely burned patients older than 60.
_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.
_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.
Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report would be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.
Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."
The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Gostin, who was not on the task force.
If followed to a tee, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."
Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? Report offers answers - Yahoo! News
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The same people that Congress will let die in a Govt healthcare system......the poor.
The poor can not attack Congress, they are broke.
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05-06-2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wow
The same people that Congress will let die in a Govt healthcare system......the poor.
The poor can not attack Congress, they are broke.
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We have military health insurance, Tricare.
Want to hear a funny little story?
The health care is medicore at best.
But. let's say an active duty soldier receives medical malpractice.
Did you know that the solider can't sue the military doctor?
A military dependent can, but a solider can't.
So, if we do get universal healthcare will doctors be liable or will we have to sign a clause saying we won't sue for malpractice?
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05-06-2008, 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gummer
Seems reasonable to me ..... and I'm an old guy. Anything deserving of the title "pandemic" would certainly exceed our healthcare capabilities. Priorities would have to be made. Those already having a good head of steam on a greased slide to the graveyard shouldn't be high on the list of priorities.
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I'd say the majority out here haven't a clue what a Pandemic means....
Take care.
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05-06-2008, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist1
I'd say the majority out here haven't a clue what a Pandemic means....
Take care.
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I would say that you are right on that.
Better to have rules in place before you need them, then not have them when you do.
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