how are they going to afford these organs?
some can't afford to pay hardly anything and pray for free clinics and the like to assit them. right now the organs are free, its the hospitals and surgery that cost money. how is adding a new charge going to help?

it could be used a form of coersion. many poor people are faced with having to put their health at risk to make money. and thats wrong.

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I don’t understand your logic here. No one is saying we outlaw the charitable donations of kidneys. All I am saying that people should be free to sell their kidney’s for profit. Under such a system those who wish to donate their kidney's for altruistic reasons will give it to these who have the least amount of money, and those with the most money can purchase them. So it is win-win for rich and poor alike.

Isn’t it more wrong do allow thousands of people to die every year from a man-made kidney shortage?

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It is not a win win, donating a kindey would likely lead to long term medical problems with people, which society as a whole would have to pay for. And basically you are encouraging poor people to sacrifice their long term health for a short term fiscal benefit.

Organ transplants have become less risky in recent years and when donors are selected they are picked from people who are healthy enough that they wouldn’t need their own transplant someday.

You are avoiding the bigger question, isn’t it more wrong do allow thousands of people to die every year from a man-made kidney shortage?

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Why We Need a Market for Human Organs

Because of the global organ shortage, thousands of patients die unnecessarily each year for want of a kidney. And because organ sales are illicit, corrupt brokers may deceive indigent donors about the nature of transplant surgery, cheat them of payment, and ignore their postsurgical needs and long-term complications. The only way out is to increase the supply of available kidneys -- whether by a cash payment to potential donors or through some other form of compensation, says Sally Satel, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

Unfortunately, most of the world transplant establishment does not share this view. Instead, organizations such as the World Health Organization (WHO) and the international Transplantation Society focus on the obliteration of illicit markets.

The latest country to "get tough" is the Philippines:

• A few weeks ago, the government banned the sale of kidneys to foreigners.
  
  
• The reverberations are already being felt; a recent headline in the Jerusalem Post read, "Kidney Transplant Candidates in Limbo after Philippines Closes Gates" (Israel has one of the lowest rates of donation in the world, so the government pays for transplant surgery performed outside the country).

Similarly, patients from Qatar who traveled to Manila are "looking for alternative solutions," according to The Peninsula. Many had turned to the Philippines because countries such as China, India and Pakistan have begun cracking down on illicit organ sales.

But the prohibition policy urged on these countries will only end up pushing organ markets further underground, or cause them to blossom elsewhere. World health authorities should direct their passion toward promoting a legal apparatus for exchange, says Satel.

AEI - Short Publications - Why We Need a Market for Human Organs

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I think letting people sell will do more harm than good.
more people should donate organs or ensure they are registered to donate (many people have the intention to donate after death but forget to check their resistration.)
I think spending money on campaigns to get people aware of how doning can help others is the best thing we can do with this issue (at least for right now)

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I'm pressured to undertake risks every day just for financial gain - I drive to work. FAR more people die in car accidents than in your experiments example. So, merely driving to work to earn a paycheck is a risk. And the higher the wages, the more I am "pressured" into taking those risks. So, by your logic, should the Government put a wage-cap in effect to stop tantalizing people out onto the roads, where they are injured ands killed in droves each day?

Learn the difference between temptation and pressure. If the risks were as great as you say, they're still voluntary risks. There is no pressure. Poor and rich alike would have the option of saying "yes", "no", or "maybe". If the poor are tempted to take risks to earn money, that is their own fault.

In fact, your mentality of "the poor are too stupid to be trusted with their own decisions" is the very reason why such a program would fail. Some rich corporate mouthpiece (i.e. Congressman) would convince those like yourself that the poor are too stupid to understand what they're doing, so they need representation...an agent, of sorts...which would become a broker, who has to earn his cut, which would drive prices artificially high. Then, seeing that the broker's cut was taking profits away from the stupid poor people, then people like yourself would be swayed to agree that ALL people should have to use a brokerage, and no independent sales would be allowed. Then the market would be locked into the hands of the greedy and the governing...exactly where it is right now, but in a different fashion.

Why is it such a common notion that the poor are too stupid to say "yes" or "no" with the same foreknowledge as a rich person? How does economic status make one more or less acountable for their own decisions?

Much to the amazement of people like you, I've been both poor and moderately wealthy...and my IQ never changed! In both cases, I was fully capable of weighing risks, assessing rewards, and making my own choices like a big boy without liberal crusaders telling me every step to take, every form to fill out, and every decision to make.

On another note: why is it you're ok with poor people PAYING to take health risks (driving, prescription meds, roller coasters, alcohol, greasy food, prostitution [I assume most people are ok with whores...only ugly wives are against them ], skydiving, blowfish, etc.), but you are against poor people PROFITING from taking medical risks on the grounds that they might be tempted to actually do it? Are only business owners allowed to profit from selling risks? How is it you're defending the poor here? Looks more like you're just against poor people making their own decisions. I assume you prefer the system where if you're poor, you simply must be incompetent, so let Uncle Sam do everything for you.

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The poor loose in the current system, because they have to compete with the rich in middle class for “free kidneys” Under the system I proposing the poor would win because the market place would be reduced for the free kidneys kidneys.

Furthermore let’s say a poor person wishes to donate his kidney and might suffer health risks as a result. Isn’t it better to be compensated? Therefore shouldn’t he profit from the sale of his kidney. Or let’s say he sold his kidney for one million dollars? He wouldn’t be poor anymore would he? It seems to me that if you really care about the poor you would be in favor of this option to escape poverty.


That is not going to work. In Spain they have a system where when you die the government assumes that you wanted to donate your organs for transplantation. So upon death your organs become the property of the government and are harvested. Even there, there are shortages because organ markets are illegal.

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You're talking to someone who thinks the poor are so stupid they can't decide on their own whether the gain is worth the risk, so whether or not they made a million bucks is moot...they'd only seem happy when they could finally climb out of poverty, or maybe have enough extra money to do something beneficial for their families, but in reality they wouldn't be happy because they were actually unfairly coerced into making some money for their families by taking a risk, instead of working for money at some really, super-safe mine or an ultra-safety-conscious factory.

The headlines are chock full of people who naively donated organs only to be slaughtered on the operating table, but you never hear of people dying at work earning poverty-level wages. Why would poor ignorant peasant risk being butchered by our neanderthal medical community when they could simply slave away in their fields comfortably surrounded by saftey-tractors and non-toxic farm chemicals and bladeless combines and child-proof grain silos? Only the STUPID POOR PEOPLE would do something that idiotic.

I can think of nothing more horrible than a poor family having money that wolf doesn't think they are smart enough to have. The horror!

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I am a conservative and capitalist in the greatest extreme possible within such parameters to still allow a nation state to sustain itself entirely.... having said that--- I believe in an individuals right to do basically everything they choose so long as their choices to not infringe nor procreate and environment inescapable of others who have the equal rights to live.

A person SHOULD have the right to sell any part of themselves so long as that person is of sound mind, coherent, premeditated thought process fulfilled and of an age appropriate in adulthood to fully understand the decision they are making. So yes, I think a person should be able to sell a body part.