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04-17-2008, 04:18 PM
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Prohibit Portly Patrons to Cover Corporate Crime
The following is about the Mississippi bill that would prohibit restaurants from serving fat people:
Mary could not believe she has such a huge spot on her new blouse. As she went into the cafeteria, she self-consciously held her hand over it, hoping no one would notice. The man at the next table did seem to notice however; in fact, he was starring at the spot intently. "Shame you have got a stain on that nice new blouse there young lady."
Mary blushed. "I was hoping no one would notice."
"It is a pretty big spot, I saw it right off." said the man. " If I were you I would go try and wash it out."
It wasn't until Mary went to pay her bill that she realized her purse was missing. In her embarrassment over her appearance, she completely forgot to keep track of her possessions. The man must have walked off with it. Normally, Mary is much more careful around strangers. But her emotional vulnerability was her undoing this time.
Now what does this little story have to do with a bill introduced in January by W.T. Mayhall Jr. that would prohibit restaurants from serving anyone who is considered obese in the state of Mississippi? And I am NOT just talking extreme obesity, I am talking about obesity as defined by our government (read Pharma) to help sell more diet pills. Under this draconian law, anyone with a BMI of over 30 would be out of luck. Want to take your daughter out to dinner for her birthday? Too bad, even if you wanted to order a salad sans dressing just to join in the occassion. Under House Bill 282, if the restaurant served you, it could lose its license.
Of course this bill is ridiculous and Mayhall himself did not even vote for it. He said he introduced it to create a dialogue to talk about the strain obesity was putting on the medicaid system. O.k. Mayhall, lets talk. I don't want to talk about the fact that it is not medicaid patients who frequent restaurants the most. And I DON'T want to talk about the fact the fat people as a group eat no more than thin people as a group. Because if you don't know that by now, you are beyond hope. Stop getting your science information from tabloids and talk shows. Or diet companies! Or their mouthpieces aka MSM (mainstream media!)
I'll tell you want I want to talk about bubba. I mean Mayhall. After we chew the fat I want to digest your real motives. I want to talk about the old sand in your eyes trick. You know, temporarily distracting people so they won't know what you yourself are up to. I want to talk about how at the very same time you were throwing the sand/stigma of obesity in our faces, your former company, DuPont-Merk was settling with the government for defrauding MEDICAID. (1) That is right, the very same program you were so worried about. And why did MSM not pick up on this? It was only too happy to point out the error of the ways of poor folk noshing on too many twinkies, while the real fat cats in the corporate world were ripping off the government left and right. Could this possible be because so much of MSM is owned by corporations and when you get down to it, it is one small group of uber rich at the top against the rest of us? And MSM is one of their biggest tools of manipulation?
Now most of us already know this. Most of us already have a healthy distrust of both corporate America and MSM. But when it comes to obesity our B.S. detectors are more dormant than our tastebuds after a week on Jenny Craig's prepackaged meal plan. This is hardly an isolated incident. Obesity has been used over and over as a scapegoat. How many times have we heard that it is the fat of the land that is responsible for the rising cost of health care? Now ask yourself how much you know about Bill Frist. Who is Frist you ask?He is a former Senate Majority Leader. His family owns HCA Inc.-Hospital Corporation of America. They are the largest for profit hospital chain in the U.S. and they too were accused of defrauding Medicaid, Medicare, and Tricare. (2) And the Frists were far from the only ones with their fingers in the pie, (my bad for mixing metaphors) milking U.S. dry. *Yet, corporate crime never gets as much attention as our neighbor's love handles. Incredibly, there have also been headlines blaming obesity for the failing economy. Who in their right mind would let middrift bulge eclipse the significance of jobs hemorhaging overseas, the reckless ruining the financial system with Ponzi schemes and running up trillions of dollars in debt??? MSM has made sure fat is more infamous than fraud.
What is wrong with us that we keep falling for it over and over??? The answer is that like Mary in the above scenario, we too are emotionally vulnerable. It is not weight itself, but weight obsession that is our achilles heel. The very word fat conjures up fear, it can literally cause weakness in our knees. The site of a fat person splashed on a t.v. screen causes instant contrition for our own culinary indiscretions. What we have forgotten is that guilt is a tool of the manipulator; it is a ring in the noses of our psyches that allows our handlers to lead us in any direction they like. This is hardly new. For centuries, religious leaders have been using guilt, chiefly over sex, to control their congregations. Perhaps that is why so many of them got away with molesting our children for so long. When we are blinded by our own guilt, we have less vision to see others clearly.
I am going to save how absurd it is to make weight our top priority when we are facing so many real social crisis for another time. My point here is to expose the con. I have long learned that anyone who needs to make a big deal of my "flaws" usually has a hidden agenda. Perhaps they want to manipulate me into buying something. Perhaps they want to deflect attention away from their own inadequacies. Perhaps they just so lack self-esteem they want to bring others down to their level. It doesn't matter. It is a huge warning sign exploitation is afoot. The more they point in my direction, the more I look back in theirs to see what they want to distract me from. We should be just as cautious every time MSM sounds the code red obesity sirens. Sure it is in the power-elite's best interest that we look no further than our scales! That way we won't see what they are really up to until it is too late!
I can't post URLs, but look you can look up Mayhall's bill as well as the accusations for DuPont-Merc yourself. There is also a site called BIGFATFACT that gives the other side to this antifat hysteria and debunks MSM's myths.
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04-17-2008, 09:15 PM
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Ban trans fats!
Maybe with the rise of food will cut down on obesity, too.
America is fat and lazy.
No one force fed American to be fat, they got fat on their own.
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04-17-2008, 09:22 PM
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I go to the gym 6 days a week, hate every God Damn minute, but I do feel great and have a 32 inch waist. If I can do it ANYONE can.
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04-18-2008, 01:03 PM
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So What!!!
So THAT is your only redeeming quality? That you go to the gym and have a 32 inch waist? So you do something you HATE because someone arbitrarily sets some standard and you feel compelled to follow it. Or because BigDiet/Pharma (BARFMA) releases marketing campaigns you mistake for real health news because you don't want to do the research on your own. There is mental laziness as well. Your point is worthless to me, I can't respect anyone doing something they HATE just to go along with the crowd. I knew people who joined cults for the same reason!!!!!
Personally, I gave up my car in the interest of global warming! Sometimes walking in the rain and public transportation can be living hell, but I don't HATE it. I am proud to be able to make a real sacrifice for future generations. I also find ways to look at the positive and the advantages in not having a car.
I am a sociologist who has been researching the stigma of fat for over two decades. I don't write and post for the sake of the above posters. There are two reasons someone is a fat bigot. One, they are making money off of it. Two, they lack self esteem and a sense of accomplishment, so their weight is the only thing they have to gloat about. Either way, they are no more going to stop me from activism than a few flies will stop me from the beauty of nature. I post because weight obsession is ruining our society. It is a way billions go from the middle class to the richest people each year. It distracts us from important issues, and it allows us to be manipulated by guilt. I post for those who are intelligent enough to see through the b.s. or those just plain sick of the obsession.
"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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04-18-2008, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravitas
So THAT is your only redeeming quality? That you go to the gym and have a 32 inch waist? So you do something you HATE because someone arbitrarily sets some standard and you feel compelled to follow it. Or because BigDiet/Pharma (BARFMA) releases marketing campaigns you mistake for real health news because you don't want to do the research on your own. There is mental laziness as well. Your point is worthless to me, I can't respect anyone doing something they HATE just to go along with the crowd. I knew people who joined cults for the same reason!!!!!
Personally, I gave up my car in the interest of global warming! Sometimes walking in the rain and public transportation can be living hell, but I don't HATE it. I am proud to be able to make a real sacrifice for future generations. I also find ways to look at the positive and the advantages in not having a car.
I am a sociologist who has been researching the stigma of fat for over two decades. I don't write and post for the sake of the above posters. There are two reasons someone is a fat bigot. One, they are making money off of it. Two, they lack self esteem and a sense of accomplishment, so their weight is the only thing they have to gloat about. Either way, they are no more going to stop me from activism than a few flies will stop me from the beauty of nature. I post because weight obsession is ruining our society. It is a way billions go from the middle class to the richest people each year. It distracts us from important issues, and it allows us to be manipulated by guilt. I post for those who are intelligent enough to see through the b.s. or those just plain sick of the obsession.
"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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Well, after 20 years of "studying" sociology it seems you have nothing new to bring to the table. 
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04-18-2008, 01:55 PM
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Fat people as a group don't eat more than thin people as a group? How insane a statement is that? People are overweight because they eat too much. You can claim glandular problems all you want but the truth is people are fat because they eat too much.
There may be one out of 10,000 overweight people who are overweight because of medication or some strange illness but 9999 out of the 10,000 are fat because they eat too much.
Now, I think its stupid to put the blame on the resturants since all they are doing is providing what the customer wants. I will stake the farm on your screaming discrimination if the resturant took it upon themselves to tell a fat person No, you can't have that third order of Chocolate Cream Pie. People are fat not because resturants serve them food but because they lack self control to STOP EATING.
You can even claim like Overeaters Anonymous that its an addiction and maybe it is, but like any other addiction its up to the INDIVIDUAL to break the addition.
FAT PEOPLE ARE FAT BY CHOICE.
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04-18-2008, 02:07 PM
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I gained 50lbs with each pregnancy and had it off by the time they were 3 months, breast feeding speeded up the process along with excerise.
I was on predisone steriods for a health problem back in 2002-2003. It was ALOT harder to lose than the pregnancy weight, but I had it off within 5 months. I worked my a$$ off, 90 minutes at the gym 7 dys a week.
My sister does have a thyroid problem and she really has to take care of herself to keep the weight off.
So, even with health problems, weight loss can and does happen.
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04-18-2008, 03:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
I gained 50lbs with each pregnancy and had it off by the time they were 3 months, breast feeding speeded up the process along with excerise.
I was on predisone steriods for a health problem back in 2002-2003. It was ALOT harder to lose than the pregnancy weight, but I had it off within 5 months. I worked my a$$ off, 90 minutes at the gym 7 dys a week.
My sister does have a thyroid problem and she really has to take care of herself to keep the weight off.
So, even with health problems, weight loss can and does happen.
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Thank you for validating my position. My first wife was overweight. I went through all the OA's, Weight Watchers, fad diets, religious retreats etc etc. Most of her friends were overweight and it was the same for them. 99.9% of the people who are long term overweight are overweight because they eat too much. I am overweight, I am 5'8" tall and weigh around 200 lbs. I suffer from dickydoo as a result (my stomach sticks out further than my dickie do). I am overweight because I eat too much, pure and simple (that and my entire exercise consist of once every quarter riding a golf cart around 18 holes and feeling good about it!!). By the way, when I graduated from high school I was 5' 8" tall and weighed less than 112 lbs. When I tried to join the Navy they told me they couldn't take me because if I lost so much as an ounce I would fall through my asshole and choke myself to death. They finally decided I was really only 5' 6" tall and actually weighed 115 lbs and fit the criteria.
Losing weight is not easy. Keeping from gaining is not easy, my metabolism changed 100 percent as I aged. However, if I didn't eat as much as I do I would not be overweight.
The other aspect of the first poster is that being overweigh is harmless. That is absolutely not true. Obese people suffer from high blood pressure more often, from heart attacks more often, kidney failure more often, orthopedic issues more often and other illnesses.
So, turning fat people into just another victim group might make anorexic people feel good but it does nothing to help anyone
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04-19-2008, 09:03 AM
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Nate, you are spot on with your post. If you want to loose weight, cut down on your portions and excercise. It is a personal choice.
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04-19-2008, 09:33 AM
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What a SAD group of People!
Forest, um where are you getting your info? It has been demonstrated over and over in SCIENTIFIC lit that fat people as a group eat no more than thin people. Where are you getting your info from. OA or Weight Watchers. Neither are credible. In fact, most people who join those groups do gain their weight back, the numbers are like 90%. Why don't you try reading The Dieter's Dilemma by Dr William Bennet. He was editor of the Harvard Medical School news letter. Anyone who bothers to do the research will find that most popular myths about fat don't hold up.
Then again, you need reading comprehension to do that. I believe you quoted me as saying I said obesity is harmless. Uh, NEVER said that. I said it was being used as a distraction. Your prejudices made you miss the point of the entire post.
Ocean whatever, that you lost weight after pregnancy does not prove anything. There are different reasons why people are fat. I haven't missed a day of work in over 10 years. And I take public trans, teach and date a firefighter paramedic so I am exposed to lots. It is because I adore my beautiful curves and stay away from negativity. If I can avoid illness, so can anyone, no excuses to be sick. Sound absurd? So is your argument. Every body is different. What is right for one is different for others. But as I said, I have never met a fat phobe who wasn't using it as a compensation for their own inadequacy. If you raise your self esteem, you will feel the need to judge others less.
I hope the above emotional litter in the posts doesn't distract from the original posts true message! Whether obesity is bad or good, genetic or environmental is not the issue. The issue is they are using obesity to distract from their own wrong doing - like ripping off the system. It is too bad some people would rather scapegoat than save their anger for people who are really hurting them. What good little soldiers some people choose to be!
"Fat Can Be Beautiful! Intolerance is ALWAYS Ugly!
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