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04-19-2008, 11:21 AM
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04-19-2008, 05:38 PM
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Thanks for Proving My Point!!!
My point was that obesity is an effective scapegoat. Interesting that the first thing above posters did was hurl unfounded insults at fat people. All fat people!!! Where is the anger against DuPont-Merck who ripped off medicaid??? (Google PR Watch, Dupont and Medicaid fraud for a concise story!) Where is the outrage at the Frist family and HCA??? Here is an undisputable fact, obesity's causes and consequences are DEBATABLE! There is no argument about this, anyone who goes to the scientific journals will see respected professionals in their fields argue on both sides. To the best of my knowledge, FRAUD, THEFT, and MANIPULATION are considered immoral and completely within the control of the individual. Body size is not quite as much a choice as we have been brain washed to believe. I know of NO argument that says crooked politicians and big business have less than free will when taking people for a ride. So why was attacking fat people the FIRST knee jerk reaction!!!!
This is exactly how the witchhunts, McCarthism, and all autrocities man commits against his own start. Corrupt leaders know how to pull strings and turn people against each other for their own benefit. It is those who allow themselves to be manipulated that are the true burden to the rest of us.
Now I am through with this board until my next piece. I will make sure and post it here since you enjoyed the above so much. To all the open minded readers HAPPY SUNDAY!!!
p.s. Americans are NOT lazy, they are among the hardest working group in the world. Western Europe gets about 1 month paid vacation a year and they take it. Interestingly enough, stress and lack of sleep can contribute to weight gain!!!
"Those who judge another by the size of their derriere usually keep their own brains there."
Last edited by Gravitas : 04-19-2008 at 05:42 PM.
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04-19-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
My point was that obesity is an effective scapegoat. Interesting that the first thing above posters to was hurl unfounded insults at fat people. Where is the anger against DuPont-Merck who ripped off medicaid??? (Google PR Watch, Dupont and Medicaid fraud for a concise story!) Where is the outrage at the Frist family and HCA??? Here is an undisputable fact, obesity's causes and consequences are DEBATABLE! There is no argument about this, anyone who goes to the scientific journals will see respected professionals in their fields argue on both sides. To the best of my knowledge, FRAUD, THEFT, and MANIPULATION are considered immoral and completely within the control of the individual. Body size is not quite as much a choice as we have been brain washed to believe. I know of NO argument that says crooked politicians and big business have less than free will when taking people for a ride. So why was attacking fat people the FIRST knee jerk reaction!!!!
This is exactly how the witchhunts, McCarthism, and all autrocities man commits against his own start. Corrupt leaders know how to pull strings and turn people against each other for their own benefit. It is those who allow themselves to be manipulated that are the true burden to the rest of us.
Now I am through with this board until my next piece. I will make sure and post it here since you enjoyed the above so much. To all the open minded readers HAPPY SUNDAY!!!
"Those who judge another by the size of their derriere usually keep their own brains there."
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Blame yourself before you blame the gov't.
Blame the fast food places and junk food.
Get a grip.
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04-19-2008, 05:45 PM
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Get a brain, Obee.
Don't you ever read the things you kneejerk to?
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04-19-2008, 06:14 PM
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Get a brain, Obee.
Don't you ever read the things you kneejerk to?
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Yes, I do. The blame game is so old for weight, it's not healthy to be fat.
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04-19-2008, 06:17 PM
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04-19-2008, 09:00 PM
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[quote=Gravitas;379951]The following is about the Mississippi bill that would prohibit restaurants from serving fat people:
Mary could not believe she has such a huge spot on her new blouse. As she went into the cafeteria, she self-consciously held her hand over it, hoping no one would notice. The man at the next table did seem to notice however; in fact, he was starring at the spot intently. "Shame you have got a stain on that nice new blouse there young lady."
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That screed was quite a long apologia for the lard-assed excuses for human beings that are defiling the world today. These walking whales who waddle around with their massive rolls of fat bouncing around on their disgusting bodies need to be kept away from the hog trough until they are decent, normal sized people. These ugly, obese freaks are nauseating to look at when eating. They snort and grunt like the swine they are, and cause normal diners to feel like throwing up. If it were up to me, they would all be made into soap.
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04-19-2008, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
So THAT is your only redeeming quality? That you go to the gym and have a 32 inch waist? So you do something you HATE because someone arbitrarily sets some standard and you feel compelled to follow it. Or because BigDiet/Pharma (BARFMA) releases marketing campaigns you mistake for real health news because you don't want to do the research on your own. There is mental laziness as well. Your point is worthless to me, I can't respect anyone doing something they HATE just to go along with the crowd. I knew people who joined cults for the same reason!!!!!
Personally, I gave up my car in the interest of global warming! Sometimes walking in the rain and public transportation can be living hell, but I don't HATE it. I am proud to be able to make a real sacrifice for future generations. I also find ways to look at the positive and the advantages in not having a car.
I am a sociologist who has been researching the stigma of fat for over two decades. I don't write and post for the sake of the above posters. There are two reasons someone is a fat bigot. One, they are making money off of it. Two, they lack self esteem and a sense of accomplishment, so their weight is the only thing they have to gloat about. Either way, they are no more going to stop me from activism than a few flies will stop me from the beauty of nature. I post because weight obsession is ruining our society. It is a way billions go from the middle class to the richest people each year. It distracts us from important issues, and it allows us to be manipulated by guilt. I post for those who are intelligent enough to see through the b.s. or those just plain sick of the obsession.
"Weight obsession is a social disease. If we cared more about CO2 than BMI there would still be time."
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This post proves two things to me; you are a fat slob who resents being told about it, and that you are a race-mixing socialist who wants to punish the productive segment of the population in order to provide for the fat, lazy, bums who lie around on their fat asses and collect my tax monies to pay for their wigs, false fingernails, gold teeth, spinner wheel rims, drugs, malt liquor, gold chains, droopy pants showing their asses to the world, hair weaves, food, shelter and clothing, including designer styles and $200 sport shoes. Lose that fat and get off the backs of the working people, Jemima.
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04-19-2008, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
Fat people as a group don't eat more than thin people as a group? How insane a statement is that? People are overweight because they eat too much. You can claim glandular problems all you want but the truth is people are fat because they eat too much.
There may be one out of 10,000 overweight people who are overweight because of medication or some strange illness but 9999 out of the 10,000 are fat because they eat too much.
Now, I think its stupid to put the blame on the resturants since all they are doing is providing what the customer wants. I will stake the farm on your screaming discrimination if the resturant took it upon themselves to tell a fat person No, you can't have that third order of Chocolate Cream Pie. People are fat not because resturants serve them food but because they lack self control to STOP EATING.
You can even claim like Overeaters Anonymous that its an addiction and maybe it is, but like any other addiction its up to the INDIVIDUAL to break the addition.
FAT PEOPLE ARE FAT BY CHOICE.
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For once, I agree with you, old sport.
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04-19-2008, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
Ban trans fats!
Maybe with the rise of food will cut down on obesity, too.
America is fat and lazy.
No one force fed American to be fat, they got fat on their own.
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And no one should be able to force them to become skinny . . . or whatever you want to call it. If people want to eat five Big macs a day then they can eat five Big macs a day. Just like if they want to smoke three packs of cigarettes a day or drink a fifth of whiskey every day.
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
And I DON'T want to talk about the fact the fat people as a group eat no more than thin people as a group. Because if you don't know that by now, you are beyond hope.
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Not buying it.
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
Forest, um where are you getting your info? It has been demonstrated over and over in SCIENTIFIC lit that fat people as a group eat no more than thin people. Where are you getting your info from. OA or Weight Watchers. Neither are credible.
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I am not Nathan, but I agree with him that you are wrong. Simple observation will tell you that. Check out the people walking in and out of a buffet place sometime and then get back to me.
Where are you getting your information? Why is it that when people cut back on how much they are eating they lose weight?
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Originally Posted by Gravitas
My point was that obesity is an effective scapegoat. Interesting that the first thing above posters did was hurl unfounded insults at fat people. All fat people!!! Where is the anger against DuPont-Merck who ripped off medicaid??? (Google PR Watch, Dupont and Medicaid fraud for a concise story!) Where is the outrage at the Frist family and HCA??? Here is an undisputable fact, obesity's causes and consequences are DEBATABLE! There is no argument about this, anyone who goes to the scientific journals will see respected professionals in their fields argue on both sides. To the best of my knowledge, FRAUD, THEFT, and MANIPULATION are considered immoral and completely within the control of the individual. Body size is not quite as much a choice as we have been brain washed to believe. I know of NO argument that says crooked politicians and big business have less than free will when taking people for a ride. So why was attacking fat people the FIRST knee jerk reaction!!!!
This is exactly how the witchhunts, McCarthism, and all autrocities man commits against his own start. Corrupt leaders know how to pull strings and turn people against each other for their own benefit. It is those who allow themselves to be manipulated that are the true burden to the rest of us.
Now I am through with this board until my next piece. I will make sure and post it here since you enjoyed the above so much. To all the open minded readers HAPPY SUNDAY!!!
p.s. Americans are NOT lazy, they are among the hardest working group in the world. Western Europe gets about 1 month paid vacation a year and they take it. Interestingly enough, stress and lack of sleep can contribute to weight gain!!!
"Those who judge another by the size of their derriere usually keep their own brains there."
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I agree with some of what you say, but it seems that it is you who is making excuses (ironic since you started off talking about scapegoats) for why people are fat. For some people who are labelled fat it is a sham, they don't fit into some category and are thus labelled fat, and it is highly subjective. For others, ones who are fat by anyone's standards, their diet and inactivity are a large part of why they are fat.
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