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03-28-2008, 08:23 PM
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This story has nothing to do with the quality of the healthcare..read Uptons post or what ever you want to call it before you get all bent out of shape.
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it wasn't a post, it was a copy and paste job which like I already said proves he is a piece of shit, what else is there?
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03-28-2008, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Carson
it wasn't a post, it was a copy and paste job which like I already said proves he is a piece of shit, what else is there?
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Why is a copy and paste a bad thing?
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03-28-2008, 08:28 PM
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Did you know when you pay for your insurance and you use it your insurance company can go back and sue you for all your medical bills if you win a law suit with another company? I sure didn't. Wal-mart could have been sooo much more understanding considering its a drop in the buckett as far as money goes for them and the lady is being sued for more than her lawsuit awarded. To add insult to injury, Walmart knew her son soon after her injury died in Iraq. Seems very cold and heartless to me and not a good marketing move either by Wal-mart
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It's called subrogation and the idea is quite simple, not paying twice for the same services which drives up costs for all. So, if you have medical bills from a car accident and you claim those expenses on your medical insurance, the medical plan is entitled to be reimbursed for the claims paid from the auto insurer. What's wrong with that?
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03-28-2008, 08:29 PM
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Why is a copy and paste a bad thing?
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because it is not an original thought, it is mindlessly taking somebody else's opinion and repeating it, a computer can do that, more should be expected from a human being
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03-28-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Quinns Commentary
It's called subrogation and the idea is quite simple, not paying twice for the same services which drives up costs for all. So, if you have medical bills from a car accident and you claim those expenses on your medical insurance, the medical plan is entitled to be reimbursed for the claims paid from the auto insurer. What's wrong with that?
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Well, the first thing thats wrong with it is that I never knew that. I will bet few people did. The second thing wrong with it is the employee is paying, as part of his or her salary, the cost of a healthcare plan. thats why we take out insurance. She later came into money from a lawsuit against the trucking company. Wal-Mart hears of the win over the trucking company and goes after the money she won to pay for the medical bills she already paid for through her policy she bought from Wal-mart. From what another poster wrote this was Wal-marts policy and is legally in the right, but this is a unique and special case, and Wal- mart knows this. I say this is an unfair policy because she already was paying for this insurance and that what its for..Im truely not worried about Wal-marts profits or the auto insurance comapany profits, Im worried about a woman in a nursing home whos son died in Iraq that owes more from the lawsuit from Wal-mart than she got from the lawsuit from the trucking company. This woman has a serious brain injury, no money and now will be living on medicaid alone without a son. Wal-Mart needs a heart...Im sure this is going over well with Wal-Mart employees across the country, they could have been the good guys on this one..It would have been a cheap and great public relations move to help this woman out and by not sueing her.
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03-28-2008, 10:57 PM
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I asked if you would consider giving $100 to the Shank family. I will take that as a resounding NO. I think that is pretty greedy and heartless of you, hover I respect your right to be greedy and heartless, however I think it is pretty hypocritical to pass judgment on Wal-Mart for the same thing.
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I'm rather surprised that you would resort to such tactics. You've always seemed to have a ready answer in the past to support your positions. Perhaps this case is an exception.
Myself and Wal-Mart are not analogous in any way shape or form and you know it. Now please answer the question, do you support Wal-Mart and it's handling of the Deborah Shank's case?
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03-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Upton
I'm rather surprised that you would resort to such tactics. You've always seemed to have a ready answer in the past to support your positions. Perhaps this case is an exception.
Myself and Wal-Mart are not analogous in any way shape or form and you know it. Now please answer the question, do you support Wal-Mart and it's handling of the Deborah Shank's case?
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Upton, while it does smack of being cold hearted and greedy it is legal. Business is to make money not pay out.
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03-29-2008, 10:18 AM
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Where was her lawyer in all this? It's fairly common knowledge that your insurance gets to recoup losses from any other settlements you may receive, so HE knew that he needed to sue for enough to pay back Wal-Mart, cover his fees, and still leave her with something. The Judge knew that as he was awarding her the money, as well. Why didn't he say anything?
I have never, in my life, seen a contract that requires certain performance "...unless it makes you sad..." That's ridiculous. It is a damned shame, but but it's nobody else's fault that this woman, who signed the insurance agreement, or her lawyer, who understood (presumably) thew Law didn't act accordingly and sue for enough to cover her obligations. The bottom line is that she wanted to keep money she was NOT entitled to, and it didn't work.
And this whole crap about "it would have only cost wal-mart employees 0.40 each" or "Wal-Mart wouldn't have been hurt if they'd just let her have it" makes me a little sick. It also wouldn't hurt Wal-Mart to let me have a flat-screen TV, but nobody in their right mind would bring that up in my shoplifiting trial! It's the same premise.
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03-29-2008, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Upton
I'm rather surprised that you would resort to such tactics. You've always seemed to have a ready answer in the past to support your positions. Perhaps this case is an exception.
Myself and Wal-Mart are not analogous in any way shape or form and you know it. Now please answer the question, do you support Wal-Mart and it's handling of the Deborah Shank's case?
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What’s the alternative? How should Wal-Mart have handled this situation? Let’s say they let the Shanks keep the money, how would they compensate for the money? Should Wal-Mart cut employee benefits? Cut dividends to share holders? Or raise prices?
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03-29-2008, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coyote
What’s the alternative? How should Wal-Mart have handled this situation? Let’s say they let the Shanks keep the money, how would they compensate for the money? Should Wal-Mart cut employee benefits? Cut dividends to share holders? Or raise prices?
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We're talking about a company that nets over 12 billion a year, 400,000 is a pittance to them. According to the article, if Wal-Mart were to have cut employee's benefits to make up for the money, it would have cost each employee less than 40 cents.
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