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Old 02-06-2008, 06:32 PM
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People want government support because they don't have the money to buy the drugs themselves, and they don't have the money to buy the drugs themselves because the drugs are fucking expensive.

While a great solution is universal health care, a better solution is government funded research to get better and cheaper drugs available to the public.
So, I should give up my good healthcare coverage because someone else can't pay their own bills? I don't think so. Get a better job, go to school and get an education so you can get a better job. And don't give excuses, just do it. I pay for my healthcare - and it isn't cheap. How do you think I got here? By dependng on others to give it to me? Hardly. I work my ass off. I am a woman and I own my own business. Nobody gave me a damn thing. I have worked for eveything I have. I once ate beeny weenies and eggs for every meal, went to night/weekend school and studied. There is no reason why someone else can't do the same. Well, unless they are lazy.

While I believe the govenment serves somekind of purpose, I don't think they should be part of my healthcare decision. As I said before, they have screwed up everything, I don't want them deciding if I live or die. Remember the HMO nightmare of the 90's? We are talking a 1000 times worse if the government is involved. I don't need to be told where to go, or who to go to. And if I should show up at the wrong place - oops. Sorry. Dead. Not to mention the fact that it will only make it easier for them to dictate what type of research is conducted and how. The government has no place in my dr.s office.

As for drugs being expensive, I know. My mother had cancer a few years ago and she had to have chemo, her anti-nausea meds were expensive as hell. The DR gave her samples. Most dr.'s have whatever drugs you need in their med closet, if you ask. Also, many drug companies now offer assistance to people who qualify. Some people can get their meds for free.
So, am I willing to pay more because someone else can't pay their bills? NO.

Our economy is on the verge of a recession and the housing market is in a full blown depression. I don't even think we should have this topic up for discussion right now. Our government has decided to put everything on the "card" (also known as china) and the deficit be damnded. My kids are gonna have to pay that off. I don't feel like asking them to pay more, and you shouldn't either.
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Can anyone give a logical explanation as to why the Bush Administration went to such great lengths in terms of military lives lost (4000+) and innocent citizens killed nearly 1,000,000), to lie us into a war over approximately 3,000 fatalities on 9/11, but shows absolutely no concern that we are losing between 80,000 and 100,000 people EVERY YEAR from MEDICAL MISTAKES?
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:47 PM
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People talk about the poor so damn much they need to learn who the true backbone of our Nation's economy is. That is people making about 60-100 a year. They buy the cars, rent the apartments, buy the houses, buy T.V.s, and such. Yet they go into bankruptcy when they get to that age and heart problems come, or diabetis or overly expensive Cancer treatments.

This is crap. I'm sick of caring for the poor. Our current economic policies encourage people to be poor. Than all they have to do is walk 4 blocks to the Government welfare office and apply for help. Meanwhile the people who would need it most, the more numerous of America's economic demographic are not entitled to help from the Government at all. Unless you consider a 300 dollar check as gracious tax cuts...

The middle class is shrinking. Sure more people are getting richer but the divide between rich and poor is getting bigger and the middle class is going down. Nations without a middle class are destined for a depression. Till Government gets out of the Healthcare industry and out of the economy we will repeat it over and over.
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Can anyone give a logical explanation as to why the Bush Administration went to such great lengths in terms of military lives lost (4000+) and innocent citizens killed nearly 1,000,000), to lie us into a war over approximately 3,000 fatalities on 9/11, but shows absolutely no concern that we are losing between 80,000 and 100,000 people EVERY YEAR from MEDICAL MISTAKES?
He has paid attention to this problem, he (Bush ) calls this frivolous lawsuits.

Ok, seriously, I cannot even come close to guessing what is in that guys head. He's wacked. The bootom line is, he simply hates America, and plans on destroying everything prior to leaving office - But that's just my opinion.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:50 PM
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While I agree that children should have healthcare, I think adults should get a job. Kids shouldn't suffer because their parents are idiots. I get tired of hearing how expensive everything is. So what. Get a job. I support programs that enable people to help themselves and get a good start so they can become a productive member of society, but I am really tires of the welfare in this country. What are we gonna have next, car buying programs, because they are just to expensive and people can't afford them? Gimmie a break.

Aside from that, I really don't see the point in giving something else to the federal government to fuck up. They screw up everything they touch. Look at what they have done to Medicare, Medicade, children services, education, social security, welfare, just to name a few. These programs have been ways for them to prove they are not incompetent, instead they have proven the opposite. Can anyone name something they haven't fucked up? I think I would like to see all of these issues fixed before we hand over something else.

I think this will be a bad move. Something our children will hate us for. I have great insurance, I pay out the ass for it, but it's good. I can get into see my dr. when I need to. I like the system the way it is.

SO, why should we allow them to mess with healthcare?
You must be one of those repubs living off Medicare and Social Security the democrats gave you...or SSI disability and Medicare.

Do you have ANY idea how many employers do NOT offer affordable healthcare? No, you don't work...you're frigging clueless.

I'd say if you aren't aware of the problem, then don't make a statement...you look really, really, really stupid doing so.
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:55 PM
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You must be one of those repubs living off Medicare and Social Security the democrats gave you...or SSI disability and Medicare.

Do you have ANY idea how many employers do NOT offer affordable healthcare? No, you don't work...you're frigging clueless.

I'd say if you aren't aware of the problem, then don't make a statement...you look really, really, really stupid doing so.
Cookie,

You look stupid about right now...

I am woman, I own my own business, and I am one of those evil employers who offers great insurance to my employees.

You assume too much.

If you read the paragraph you quoted, you'd know my reasons.

Also, I'm not a repulican, neocon and rarely conservative. I don't fall in line with the mental programming of either party. Liberal are ya?

And just so ya know, I think Social Security and Medicare should be eliminated also, people need to learn to take care of themselves. Sounds like your living off the state. Your the one in favor of all the FREE handouts, if I were utilizing any of these services, do you really think I'd be opposed to them? Probably not - what an idiotic comment. Ever heard the term "biting the hand that feeds you"?

I have insurance, I have a retirement plan and savings accounts. See, I have been responsible with my money and my business. I don't spend, spend, spend like the idiot Dubya and put it all on the card. I live within my means and go without if need be. I don't plan on social security and medicare, to take care of me in my elder years. I am 34 and know that one day I will be 65. I plan - it's not like this shit should come as shock to anyone. Hey cookie - did you know your aging? Did you know every year, you get a year older? Did you know you have the opportunity to go to school and get an education to make your life better? Did you know the only thing you can depend on is yourself? If you didn't know any of these things - you are now informed. If you did know all these things, then you simply choose to ignore them. Thus, leaving you dependant on the country you live in - and me. Grow up Cookie, take care of yourself. Yes, the world is a scary place, but you'll be okay.
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Cookie,

You look stupid about right now...

I am woman, I own my own business, and I am one of those evil employers who offers great insurance to my employees.

You assume too much.

If you read the paragraph you quoted, you'd know my reasons.

Also, I'm not a repulican, neocon and rarely conservative. I don't fall in line with the mental programming of either party. Liberal are ya?

And just so ya know, I think Social Security and Medicare should be eliminated also, people need to learn to take care of themselves. Sounds like your living off the state. Your the one in favor of all the FREE handouts, if I were utilizing any of these services, do you really think I'd be opposed to them? Probably not - what an idiotic comment. Ever heard the term "biting the hand that feeds you"?

I have insurance, I have a retirement plan and savings accounts. See, I have been responsible with my money and my business. I don't spend, spend, spend like the idiot Dubya and put it all on the card. I live within my means and go without if need be. I don't plan on social security and medicare, to take care of me in my elder years. I am 34 and know that one day I will be 65. I plan - it's not like this shit should come as shock to anyone. Hey cookie - did you know your aging? Did you know every year, you get a year older? Did you know you have the opportunity to go to school and get an education to make your life better? Did you know the only thing you can depend on is yourself? If you didn't know any of these things - you are now informed. If you did know all these things, then you simply choose to ignore them. Thus, leaving you dependant on the country you live in - and me. Grow up Cookie, take care of yourself. Yes, the world is a scary place, but you'll be okay.

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This is the narrowminded selfishness of people who cant look into the circumstances of the less fortuinate. Maybe when you have parents that cant afford there medicine youll understand. My Grandpa worked hard for 40 years. When my granndma died. All he could save was wiped out on a year cause of meical problems. And you motherfuckers are going to tell me he should have gotten a better job?????


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Old 04-02-2008, 06:51 AM
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NYOB,

I believe kids - no matter what financial status they fall under, should be covered. I don't think kids should suffer because their parents are idiots, or because they simply don't care.

As far as as your Gpa, SS and Medicare had it's place, those times are gone. Our grandparents survivied the depression, I am sure they can survive anything. You don't give grampie enough credit. As far as a job, yes, he should have gotten a better one and an education too. Or perhaps he could have depended on the kindness of his family to take care of him.

Whenever anyone in my family has gotten sick, we rally. My mother had cancer, my Gma died of Alzheimers (after 12 years), my Gpa died from heart attacks and strokes and was on life support. We have been there - but we stick together and work it out. We never asked the state for anything. Sorry, but it's true.

Everyone has shitty times, but it's the job of the person, or the family to work it out. Certainly not the government. Perhaps if we weren't broke from Bushy's war, if we had a large surpluss, then great. But our economy is the shitter and people continue to hold their hand out, the time has passed. People need to lace up their bootstraps and get a fuckin' job, or a better one.

As far as the poor, they have options too. Perhaps they should by stop by a college the next time they go for their welfare appt. That would be an awesome start. They'd definatly qualify for financial aid. Most are just lazy and wish to do nothing. Those who wish to do better - actually DO.
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This is the narrowminded selfishness of people who cant look into the circumstances of the less fortuinate. Maybe when you have parents that cant afford there medicine youll understand. My Grandpa worked hard for 40 years. When my granndma died. All he could save was wiped out on a year cause of meical problems. And you motherfuckers are going to tell me he should have gotten a better job?????


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In truth yeah. Or, you can call me selfish but I guarantee you don't give to Charity. I happen to exclusively tithe to Private Charity as opposed to a Church. 20% of me and my wife's income goes to Charities that feed the poor and provide Cancer Treatment for Children. I also give to Charities that do not send help to foreigners. Why bitch about Poverty in America and send money to Africa or South America?

I actually attempt to do something about the problem. I just don't see Government as a relevant alternative.
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In truth yeah. Or, you can call me selfish but I guarantee you don't give to Charity. I happen to exclusively tithe to Private Charity as opposed to a Church. 20% of me and my wife's income goes to Charities that feed the poor and provide Cancer Treatment for Children. I also give to Charities that do not send help to foreigners. Why bitch about Poverty in America and send money to Africa or South America?

I actually attempt to do something about the problem. I just don't see Government as a relevant alternative.
I resent being told I don't care and I'm heartless........blah blah blah. Just because we don't see suckling off the teat of the government for every problem as the answer.

I not only donate to charity, I work for them. I help feed the less fortunate (a lot of old people that probably are having a hard time affording their medicine) at a place sponsored by the Catholic churches of my area. I'm teaching my children to do the same.
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