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10-19-2007, 08:01 PM
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Drug users and welfare recipients both milk the system FOREVER.
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1. You are insinuating that all sexual activity ends in welfare
2. The time limit on welfare is FIVE years, not FOREVER.
3. Contraceptives can actually save lives.
Drug addiction, even if you substitute the drug for something "less" harmful  can never lead to a productive life, and affects EVERYONE around you.
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10-19-2007, 09:28 PM
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I think that she is refereing to enabling kids to feel free to have sex by giving them contraceptives before they are mature enough to understand the choices they are making.
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10-19-2007, 09:30 PM
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I think that she is refereing to enabling kids to feel free to have sex by giving them contraceptives before they are mature enough to understand the choices they are making.
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Thank you, Rob. Yes, that was my point.. 
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10-19-2007, 09:36 PM
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Thank you, Rob. Yes, that was my point.. 
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See you lived in Lawton long enough to learn how to think like an Okie. 
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10-19-2007, 09:48 PM
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I understand the point that was being made. However, contraceptives can actually save lives. I have more to say on that but it should go in another thread.
Fact: Most addicts had their first hit, toke, pill or drink before the age of 10.
Fact: Most addicts will eventually die and or kill in their addiction.
Fact: Most addicts will substitute one drug for another, if their preferred drug is not available.
Fact: If this catches on, Your tax dollars will be used to keep people in addiction.
Fact: After a certain point, all addicts are unable to live a productive life.
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10-19-2007, 10:28 PM
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See you lived in Lawton long enough to learn how to think like an Okie. 
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Rob;  yes, the tornado season scares you straight.
Freedom; why not try intervention with the users vs. supplying their demand?
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10-19-2007, 11:13 PM
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Rob;  yes, the tornado season scares you straight.
Freedom; why not try intervention with the users vs. supplying their demand?
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Intervention works, if they have hit their bottom. For some, the bottom is death. By the time most addicts reach their bottom, their is no one left in their lives. This program, suppling them with their drug of choice, is more than enabling them, it is helping them commit suicide. So maybe they don't overdose, but they are still slowly killing themselves. Do you think that these programs will keep them there, until they are no longer high? Not a chance, because the whole reason for living to an addict is their next fix. So, they will pump them up and then unleash them on society.
Addiction is progressive. It takes more and more to get a fix. Which means, that if these clinics won't give them enough to OD, they will still find it elsewhere.
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10-19-2007, 11:49 PM
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Intervention works, if they have hit their bottom. For some, the bottom is death. By the time most addicts reach their bottom, their is no one left in their lives. This program, suppling them with their drug of choice, is more than enabling them, it is helping them commit suicide. So maybe they don't overdose, but they are still slowly killing themselves. Do you think that these programs will keep them there, until they are no longer high? Not a chance, because the whole reason for living to an addict is their next fix. So, they will pump them up and then unleash them on society.
Addiction is progressive. It takes more and more to get a fix. Which means, that if these clinics won't give them enough to OD, they will still find it elsewhere.
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I agree and then it will become a VISIBLE problem and families will have to step up and help.
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10-20-2007, 09:36 AM
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I agree and then it will become a VISIBLE problem and families will have to step up and help.
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No, they won't step into help. Most addicts have already burnt that bridge. I know addicts that have been clean for years and their families still have nothing to do with them. I also know addicts that have nothing to do with their family because that is where the addiction was born.
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10-20-2007, 11:08 AM
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No, they won't step into help. Most addicts have already burnt that bridge. I know addicts that have been clean for years and their families still have nothing to do with them. I also know addicts that have nothing to do with their family because that is where the addiction was born.
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Explain to me again why the public should ENABLE them, then?
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