Recognizing the US health-care system leaves a lot to be desired, why couldn't it be revamped to still provide the profits that everyone hopes to make and provide adequate coverage for all Americans?
The 2 BASIC needs in life are food and shelter. No one is calling for free food for all or the elimination of profits in the food business.
Same with shelter. The recent sub-prime crisis aside, most people accept the fact they won't get their house for free. They don't mind the brokers, RE agents, contractors, etc. making money.
Why should healthcare be any different? After all, free medical care will do very little for someone without food or shelter.
Not a defense of the current system, just wondering about the logic.

European and Canadian healthcare does leave a lot to be desired as it is. I have an English friend. Tells me the waiting periods and beauracracy is "bullocks" as he puts it.


To be fucking honest. The FDA needs to go. Allow patients and doctors to decide what is best for themselves. Keep the government out of my healthcare. You would see prices drop as the cost to keep up with Federal Beauracrat red tape, and competition drive down costs.

Let alone the fact that its the sole fault of the FDA that pharmacueticals are so damned high.


Anyways, I agree. I dont want state run hospitals, or taxing me to pay for the healthcosts of others who are entitled to such benefits like welfare, Food assistance, housing assistance, medicare, medicade, social security and so on. When I will not be allowed to draw on these benefits when I need them, because in America, social programs are usually excluded from the middle class who pay the higher tax burden, and cant afford much due to a lack of handouts from the government.

So to hell with socialist assholes who wish to take my money in order to make sure lazy assholes who have 9 kids to collect more benefits can get there doctor visits.

Why should health care insurance be for profit?

My sons a doctor, my daughters a pharmacist, my sisters a radiologist, we have lots of health care workers in my immediate family. All agree something needs to be done to keep people from dying due to lack of care in the US.

Maybe they should work as a non-profit.

Granted our health care system needs some improvement. But availability is not the real issue. Quality is, and I'm not sure a National Program is going to improve quality. Especially if Medicare is the template for the program.

There are hospital emergency rooms every where (except in the 'sticks" ), and free clinics in almost every city. If people are not getting treated for illness, it is because they won't call for help. Even illegals are getting health care, at no cost to themselves.

I need a lot more information before I'll support a change.

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If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

This is a urban myth teak. You can get treated for a life threatening emergency the way you say.

But guess what cancer treatment is not considered a life threatening emergency, nor is diabetic or heart treatment.

They have to stablize only , they do not treat. Ask anybody really involved with the health care industry . The American Medical Association estimated last year that 18,000 americans died of lack of care last year. And these are just the ones reported . The actual figure is much , much higher as hospitals do not want to report these statistics because it makes them look bad.

Wake up and smell the coffee , we let people die in this country every day, for lack of treatment and we do it in the name of money.

Estimates are nice, anyone can pull one out of their ass.

You want a National Health Care Program, fine. Maybe I will to, as soon as some detailed information about it is provided. Hell, one politician, pushing for such a program, has had 13 years to produce a detailed plan. WHERE IS IT?

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If you want change stop electing "liberal: democrats and "radical" Republicans. Find and support true Conservatives; those who believe in fiscal responsibilities, individual accountability, and a smaller government, with less control of your daily life.

Well I suggest Teak that since every other industrialized nation on the planet has universal health care for their citizens except for the US the work has already been done for us. Thats right every other nation with any assets at all has universal health care for their citizens including Dubai ( unnited Arab Immerants ) Iran and Saudi Arabia have health care for all there citizens as well.

So its simple and by the way none of the current Democratic candidates has done this. We take a look at what every other nation on earth has done , some for as long back as just after world war 2 in the case of Britain . We look at what works and what doesn't and craft a plan. We are lucky to have so much research in the way of every other industrialized nation on the planet having universal health care except the US . There are all kinds of things we have working examples of to pick and choose from , what works and what doesn't .

By the way in our quest to keep corporate America happy the Democratic health plans I have seen are nothing but a give away to insurance companies , just like the Bush prescription drug bill was a give away to the pharmaceutical companies.

Lets do some simple math together

Sometime in October the US population passed 300 million we're told .

The census bureau says we live in household containing 2.6 people per household per the 2000 census .

That makes about 115 million households in the US

We spent 1.42 trillion dollars on medical care in this country last year and that includes drugs .

How much would each household be required to chip in per year to reach that 1.42 trillion dollars ?

1.42 trillion divided by 115 million


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