Hey jrafe, if a person was walking down the local street with a fully loaded AK47 slung over his sholder, what would you do? Does a well regulated militia include the possibility of your town becoming a police state and if not then who actually has the right to bare arms? Fix the problems in the society and the need to bare will fade. Nobody should screw with your rights though.

ok? did you want to debate something?

Sorry jrafe, I'm gonna jump in on this one a little...

Bloke, I agree with you 100% on the issue of societal problems. Unfortunately, the prevailing opinion is, "that's cool, just don't ask me to do anything about those problems".

Who should have the right to bare arms? Any woman that looks good in a sleeveless dress. As far as the right to bear arms... I will always believe that as many responsible citizens as possible should own a firearm. We the People are the defenders of this country, it's honor (though you'd wonder these days), and Liberty. We have those things because of a few very fragile documents. To trust that any government, no matter how comfortable you are with it, with the responsibility for those inalienable rights. It's Our responsibility. Tell you what, I'll send you a piece of paper that says, "You're the King". But it doesn't mean anything if you don't back it up. The first line of defense is the petition of greivances. But first you've got to get people to give a shit enough to petition at all. Then you have to hope the admin doesn't claim national security privelidges and clam up.

The Founding Fathers knew first hand, that those who seek true power would eventually seek to disarm those documents. It is, they thought, inevitable. Like moths to a flame, tyranny seeks power. This is the rule amongst civilizations, not the exception. The longer a civilization exists, the more likely it is to see a severe corruption of power, and the loss of citizen rights.

"There is nothing new under the sun"... who said that? "History repeats itself"... nice pat cliches, no? But they're true. Nothing is more so than this element of human nature. This behavior arises again and again in every period of history... But that can't happen here right?

As to the societal factors, I agree... The social fabric is wearing a bit thin. It's not difficult to know how to raise a responsible, intelligent population... every major religion has their own little guide on how to get along in society. But these don't have to be exclusively religious principles. They can easily be taught as civics and ethics. Unfortunately it also requires a majority effort, a community project so to speak. What?... it could happen :rolleyes"

Okay, I've rambled enough...

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i wholeheartedly agree to the right to bear arms. my problem, as with others, i am sure is this: the ability for criminals to easily to obtain them. flip sign of that coin is this...criminals obtain their illegally, we do not. we use them for protection, not terrorism or killing

To be honest, I really don't have an opinion on way or the other. I can see both sides of the story and both sides have valid points. Now when I say both sides, I mean those that believe in no restrictions on the right to bear arms and those that would say have them registered or waiting period. I believe in no way shape form or fashion that they should take away my right to bear arms.

Now having said that, I don't care about a waiting period. It might, and i use the word might loosely, prevent someone from making a hasty decision and do harm to others. I don't care if the government knows that I have a gun, but our founding fathers knew that in case of invasion or government uprising it would be the people to defend themselves. If they don't know that I have a gun, they won't come after me and I'll surprise their ass with it. Yes i know that criminals obtain theirs illegally, not much we can do about it. do i want people walking down the street with a loaded ar-15? NO, but if I am getting robbed and someone has a 45, I will gladly thank them and buy them dinner.

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Patriotic American

I would rather hunt with Cheney than drive with a Kennedy !!!

Well then. I posed a challenge to anyone and everyone on gun control, received no takers, and instead this thread got nearly 100% pro 2nd Amendment comments.

Okham, or whoever the mod is,

Is it safe to say www.arguewitheveryone.com is decidely pro gun and we can lay this issue to rest for good and remove it from the site?

Yeah that's what I thought. Both Gun Control threads died out. I got no challengers from the antis here.

If you hold an anti gun stance, just remember before you speak here, America is pro-gun. To be anti-gun, is to be anti-American. You may as well be anti-baseball and want to ban people from playing it.

God Bless America and God Bless the Second Amendment.

Actually, if everyone walking down the street had an AK47 over their shoulder I would feel very comfortable. Hmm, to open fire on the street and eat 100s of rounds myself or not to. Maybe that’s a little overdoing it, but if criminals knew that everyone was carrying a hand gun, would you still rob the bank?

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Hey jrafe I am anti-baseball. Cricket rules and your game is boring.
checkout my line in the sports page thread of the lobby. you will either geta laugh or a shock.

Baseball? Boring? Oh come on... where else can you watch 17 minutes of action packed, unadulterated exictement.... jam packed into four hours of television...

Oh wait... there's televised golf... nevermind

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