lol

Think I covered that in the PM.

If you care what people in here think, you're welcome to copy and paste what we say and put it in here, I really don't mind. lol I'll bring the conversation back in here if you want. Up to you, let me know.

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Why PM me your so called argument instead of just posting it here?

Just back up what you say, again, that is all that I am asking. Why are you so reluctant to do so?

lol Well, I believe I said I'd just PM it to you cos I don't care what other people think and it wasn't about people thinking I'm right or wrong (and you said the same I believe). But obviously only one of us meant that. lol

I'll paste the messages if you like? Or you can. I'm easy. In fact, you do it, you seem to care. lol

And the answer's in the PM I sent you (and in fact in this thread, but if you post it again it'll make it easier for people) mainly me.

Post away my friend!

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You made the same inane comments there that you have said here.

Again, all I am asking is that you back up what you say. Is that difficult for you?

Umm...

... so, what you're saying is, you want proof? lol Will signed confessions do?

Funnily enough, I think that might be tricky to get.

You do understand that part don't you? (probably not but nm)

Tell me the logic that makes you think it's wrong?

If you're hoping to win this argument through blind ignorance and boring me, you might lol

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Because relative democracy gives people just enough that they will take it in the ass and wont cause any problems. If people are starving they'll fucking riot until they get food, they'll be prepared to die to make their point to their government

Rioting for food isn't to prove a point ot the government, it is to get food.

In a democracy people are supposed to be able to get the things they want. What is the problem with that? Just because you get the 'things' you want doesn't mean that you don't pay attention fo the world around you. You have still offered nothing to show that people as a whole don't pay attention.

What exaclty is your problem with a democracy?

It looks as if you can offer nothing since the abvoe statement is what you are offering as a logical argument to your initial statements.

Stealing and cannibalism is about getting food lol, rioting is about making a statement to motivate the government to give you food. Just as freedom in Tibet was the motivation for the riots there and race was the motivation in the Watts riots. It's only when your life is fucked enough and you have little enough, that you'll be prepared to make waves and risk what little you do have.

My whole point, which to be fair you've been at least consistent in not understanding, is that democracy works by giving you enough things to think about that you wont complain about the bad things. Or don't you think the government does bad things? lol

Thought I made it very clear I've profited greatly from democracy. (oh wait, no, I'm lying aren't I?) I love democracy! I said what I said, cos I knew it would piss predictable people like you off. lol

I don't know how much clearer I can be without drawing you pictures.

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They rioted in Somalia recently to get food, simple as that. If they make a point to the government while doing so it is secondary to the goal of getting food. See, when people are hungry eating is a tad bit more important than making political statements.

The goal of a free society is for people to make their own decisions and to strive towards getting 'things' - if one chooses to do so. It is not a negative. If you think it is then you are fucking delusional.

Democracy works because people have a choice.

Perhaps you are talking about capitalism, you seem to be confused.

Either way, both democracy and capitalism are superior to the alternatives.

Any system in which people are generally happy are going to be successful. That is one of government's goals. Get it?

You haven't made it clear at all. What you have done is tell us how rich and successful you are, but I am not sure anyone is buying it.

I can see you are back pedalling now. Just like after you called yourself a loser.

You mean that they're distracted by the lack of food so they didn't try and change the government that created this lack of food? lol I agree.

Guess people with food, only get distracted by simpler things, preventing them from defending simpler rights. Probably why my 2 examples we're the 2 most powerful and richest countries in the world so as to be good comparisons as apposed to Somalia. lol

I'd be facinated if I disagreed with that at any point and you can show me how and where?

The reality is that the mundane BS and everyday distractions in capitalist democracy isn't motivational in terms of righting the wrongs that do occur. It's a fact. Somewhat disturbing that you don't see it. lol

Democracy works better than the old (conventional) models (such as communism) cos people are selfish (study game theory) and cos they have enough to distract them from the bad things that do happen.

lol Why, did you think I was referring to the US without considering the capitalist hold over us? (you didn't or you wouldn't have said "strive towards getting 'things'") I think I'm not the one that is confused lol Name me a democracy that doesn't have a large capitalist element. You wont.

lol But they can be bettered, if idiots understand and acknowledge they can be improved, instead of rocking the flag and saying how great everything is.

lol I'm pretty sure this started wih me saying that people are being manipulated. Please, feel free to show me where I said happy people don't make for a more successful society lol Again, you wont.

You're not buying it cos you can't afford to. I can lol

Yet again. Where's the example of back peddling? Quote it? lol

And you wont, again.

Amateur.

All I'm seeing is you changing your position slowly but surely. And this makes me happy

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When they were not rioting for food they still weren't rioting to change the government.

Earlier you said that they were rioting to change government and now you are saying they were distracted from changing the government when they were rioting. I don't care which one you pick, but pick just one.

You mentioned rioting for food, tell me where people have rioted for food in the most powerful and richest countries in the world.



You claim that democracy provides distractions because they want to divert people's attention. I say democracy allows people to make their own choices and just because they watch football on Sunday it doesn't meant that they don't care about whatever political issue you think they should be concerned with. It was really a stupid argument (not really an argument per se) that you put forth.



Can you please point out the governmental system that motivates people to right wrongs that do occur?

Didn't think so.



It works because people are happy. It works because people are free. It works because people have choices.

Sweden is mostly socialist and they are a democracy.


Sure they can be better, what have I said that indicated otherwise?

Fact is, that you claim that anyone who watches football on Sunday (as well as other inane things you mentioned) doesn't care about the world around them. You offered nothing to support that opinion. Nothing.

You criticize people for making choices which make them happy. You say that they are distracted and therefore don't care about the world around them.

I suppose, like so many others, you are for people making choices on their own as long as they are your choices.



Not that it matters, but I probably made more last month than you did last year. Unlike you, I don't think it makes my opinions any more right than others.


I already have. You said that people who don't do anything about "it" are losers. You then said you don't do anything about "it". You then said you weren't counting yoruself in that equation, hence the back pedalling.

You also bash democracy and then when challenged on it you praise it. That is also back pedalling.

Explain how I am changing my position. Be specific.