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Old 11-04-2007, 09:34 AM
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What is wrong with conservatism?
Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general... It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world...
Nowadays, the people who call themselves "conservatives" have little notion of what conservatism really is... Mr. Badmutha, you have been deceived by one of the great public relations campaigns in human history... Only by analyzing this deception will it become possible to revive the democracy in the United States...

Do you, Badmutha, consider yourself as an aristocracy?
Incompatible you say--and how can you make a statement like that? As if conservatives did not play a huge role in the development and continuing prosperity of this country and its people.

I will admit there is one thing wrong with conservatism--it is not perfect. But the only ideology worse that conservatism--is EVERY other ideology out there.

As for the deception--I ask you how have I been decieved?? During my lifetime--the majority of media outlets describe the joys if liberalism--and the pure terrors of conservatism. The majority of America does not recieve a daily report from Washington--their daily opinion comes from slanted and biased news reporters in TV and print. And considering 90% of media is controlled by the democrat party--who are the ones truly being deceived?

Now if I may take a break from being the punching bag for a moment--can I assume your ideology is more accurately displayed by the modern day democrat party. For if this is the case--you are more in favor of a society based on socialism--and now its time for me to throw a punch or two.

But before I do--I would ask that you do not adhere to the typical liberal debate--that being nothing but a list of whining and complaining--with no actual solutions. Can I assume FLY--if you are attacking conservatism--you are defending liberalism and socialism?

And one last thing I want to know FLY--have you ever had a role besides employee? (And please be honest--every lib on AWE is a business owner--a millionare--and have their law and medical degrees as well) For it usually people that have only lived one side of the argument--that are most easily deceived.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:56 PM
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Incompatible you say--and how can you make a statement like that? As if conservatives did not play a huge role in the development and continuing prosperity of this country and its people.

I will admit there is one thing wrong with conservatism--it is not perfect. But the only ideology worse that conservatism--is EVERY other ideology out there.

As for the deception--I ask you how have I been decieved?? During my lifetime--the majority of media outlets describe the joys if liberalism--and the pure terrors of conservatism. The majority of America does not recieve a daily report from Washington--their daily opinion comes from slanted and biased news reporters in TV and print. And considering 90% of media is controlled by the democrat party--who are the ones truly being deceived?

Now if I may take a break from being the punching bag for a moment--can I assume your ideology is more accurately displayed by the modern day democrat party. For if this is the case--you are more in favor of a society based on socialism--and now its time for me to throw a punch or two.

But before I do--I would ask that you do not adhere to the typical liberal debate--that being nothing but a list of whining and complaining--with no actual solutions. Can I assume FLY--if you are attacking conservatism--you are defending liberalism and socialism?

And one last thing I want to know FLY--have you ever had a role besides employee? (And please be honest--every lib on AWE is a business owner--a millionare--and have their law and medical degrees as well) For it usually people that have only lived one side of the argument--that are most easily deceived.
I am not a millionaire, and don't know if I will ever be... I own a few small English cram schools in Taiwan... The schools are not big, but I have always had the philosophy of quality first, quantity second...

You know, Badmutha, watching the Republican debate really highlighted the fact that conservatism is dead... Not so much in the sense that no one believes in it anymore (those 20 percenters are still hangin 'on), but that it has been discredited to the point that very few are willing to give it another chance...

How can you be a republican if you believe in smaller government, little or no foreign engagement ( to the point of isolationism) and freedom from government intervention in private affairs? The truth is, you can't, at least not if you want to retain any kind of intellectual honesty... And as much as I'd love to lay blame at the feet of the Bush administration, this one is not entirely their fault...

Badmutha, let's look at some "KOs" suffered by conservatism...

Think of the great experiments in liberalism, Social Security, Medicare, The Enviromental Protection Agency, the five day work week, child labor laws
( the list is a long one), all still going and despite conservative intervention
(attempt to destroy them) over the years, all still working relatively well considering... On the other side you have experiments in conservatism, trickle down economics, perpectual war to feed the military industrial complex, the unitary executive that says the President is above the law and should be above the law in times of crisis ( of their own making-Bush's Iraq war), all have failed and are costing the average American time, money, security and peace of mind...
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:31 PM
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I am not a millionaire, and don't know if I will ever be... I own a few small English cram schools in Taiwan... The schools are not big, but I have always had the philosophy of quality first, quantity second...

You know, Badmutha, watching the Republican debate really highlighted the fact that conservatism is dead... Not so much in the sense that no one believes in it anymore (those 20 percenters are still hangin 'on), but that it has been discredited to the point that very few are willing to give it another chance...

How can you be a republican if you believe in smaller government, little or no foreign engagement ( to the point of isolationism) and freedom from government intervention in private affairs? The truth is, you can't, at least not if you want to retain any kind of intellectual honesty... And as much as I'd love to lay blame at the feet of the Bush administration, this one is not entirely their fault...

Badmutha, let's look at some "KOs" suffered by conservatism...

Think of the great experiments in liberalism, Social Security, Medicare, The Enviromental Protection Agency, the five day work week, child labor laws
( the list is a long one), all still going and despite conservative intervention
(attempt to destroy them) over the years, all still working relatively well considering... On the other side you have experiments in conservatism, trickle down economics, perpectual war to feed the military industrial complex, the unitary executive that says the President is above the law and should be above the law in times of crisis ( of their own making-Bush's Iraq war), all have failed and are costing the average American time, money, security and peace of mind...
So what are you than FLY????? A democrat I assume--A liberal?--progressive liberal (like Bill's wife)?--a socialist?--tell me comrade! I would like to label your views--as you do mine.

For as I said before--conservatism is not perfection--but it still beats every other ideology. So tell me as you attack conservatism--are you defending liberalism?? Answer me FLY and I will continue
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:10 PM
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Really with that face on your avatar I get a visual of you sitting in a diaper red faced and crying . With a diaper full of a great big load of crap.

I can not take you seriously like that , you should consider changing it............I am serious. ...........I have a very imaginative mind.
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:31 PM
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bamutha

Really with that face on your avatar I get a visual of you sitting in a diaper red faced and crying . With a diaper full of a great big load of crap.

I can not take you seriously like that , you should consider changing it............I am serious. ...........I have a very imaginative mind.

OMG Preach--have you nothing left--I realize you have exhausted your attempts to discredit me and my views--but attacking my avatar now--cmon? That avatar represents the very essence of the modern day democrat party to a T.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:37 AM
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So what are you than FLY????? A democrat I assume--A liberal?--progressive liberal (like Bill's wife)?--a socialist?--tell me comrade! I would like to label your views--as you do mine.

For as I said before--conservatism is not perfection--but it still beats every other ideology. So tell me as you attack conservatism--are you defending liberalism?? Answer me FLY and I will continue
That, Badmutha, is a short question but it requires a somewhat complicated answer... In a nutshell I suppose that I could say I have seen just how destructive the new brand of "compassionate conservatism" can be, but that's too easy... In fact it's a bit of a cop out... I'm not a liberal merely because of the destructive nature of the ever devolving Republican Party... There are very real and very positive reasons which explain my effection for and dedication to progressive thought...
First and foremost I have never really believed that life is a series of blacks and whites, that things are all either all one way or the other... Perhaps it's because I like to study and analyze the issues and situations, but I came to a conclusion at an earl age that life oftens presents us with a series of gray areas, with subtleties and nuances for which black and white thinking are entirely inappropriate... I simply don't believe, and cringe when I hear comments such as "you are either with us or against us." And I want to regurgitate when I hear national leaders pigeon hole others and situations as either good and evil... Sorry, Badmutha, but life is never that simple...
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:43 PM
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:08 AM
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Sadmutha = Conservative Idiot!!!
No, I wouldn't call him an idiot, Rasta, he has just been fooled like so many other conservatives... Hopefully, after this debate he will change his views...
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:13 AM
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That, Badmutha, is a short question but it requires a somewhat complicated answer... In a nutshell I suppose that I could say I have seen just how destructive the new brand of "compassionate conservatism" can be, but that's too easy... In fact it's a bit of a cop out... I'm not a liberal merely because of the destructive nature of the ever devolving Republican Party... There are very real and very positive reasons which explain my effection for and dedication to progressive thought...
First and foremost I have never really believed that life is a series of blacks and whites, that things are all either all one way or the other... Perhaps it's because I like to study and analyze the issues and situations, but I came to a conclusion at an earl age that life oftens presents us with a series of gray areas, with subtleties and nuances for which black and white thinking are entirely inappropriate... I simply don't believe, and cringe when I hear comments such as "you are either with us or against us." And I want to regurgitate when I hear national leaders pigeon hole others and situations as either good and evil... Sorry, Badmutha, but life is never that simple...
Alright--so its settled--your a bleeding heart liberal--and by your writings I can see why. YOU LIVE IN THE GRAY--like all liberals--THERE IS NO SATISFYING YOU. Unfortuneately Fly--living in the gray gets nothing accomplished--the present democrat leadership is a good example. (Not that Im complaining--the less libs accomplish--the more freedoms and rights we still enjoy) Liberals love the grey zone--Bill's wife is a perfect example--she sits on both sides of the fence--caters and makes promises to all groups--all while the liberal media turns a blind eye to this impossibility.

Why can't liberals be leaders? Because leaders sometimes have to make quick decisions--under pressure--based on the best information they have. This same reasoning is why liberals are rarely business owners. Life is not simple--but eventually you have to make a decision--and liberals find this difficult.

So tell me Fly--since you hate conservatism--and love liberalism--tell me how the present day democrat party represents you better than than the republican party?
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Old 11-10-2007, 09:00 PM
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Alright--so its settled--your a bleeding heart liberal--and by your writings I can see why. YOU LIVE IN THE GRAY--like all liberals--THERE IS NO SATISFYING YOU. Unfortuneately Fly--living in the gray gets nothing accomplished--the present democrat leadership is a good example. (Not that Im complaining--the less libs accomplish--the more freedoms and rights we still enjoy) Liberals love the grey zone--Bill's wife is a perfect example--she sits on both sides of the fence--caters and makes promises to all groups--all while the liberal media turns a blind eye to this impossibility.

Why can't liberals be leaders? Because leaders sometimes have to make quick decisions--under pressure--based on the best information they have. This same reasoning is why liberals are rarely business owners. Life is not simple--but eventually you have to make a decision--and liberals find this difficult.

So tell me Fly--since you hate conservatism--and love liberalism--tell me how the present day democrat party represents you better than than the republican party?
Badmutha, let's take a look at what Republicans call freedom for Americans...

This is what Republicans call solutions to problems... All of you people that work in jobs that don't offer health insurance, and can't afford the ridiculously private health care plans that are availble, well you need to get a job that provides health insurance for your whole family--or don't have kids... Oh, and while your at it, you'd better be prepared to do whatever it takes to keep that job no matter what, especially if your kid gets sick, because if you find yourself without health insurance for any reason it will be because it was your choice... That is what Republicans call "Freedom..."
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