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No the only thing I am displaying (not suggesting) is that you have no statistical data that shows crime rates for pre/post death penalty enactments.
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Well here's the problem, even if I were to post said crime statistics, no other variable will stay static. I could find you specifics links to data on Texas, and how there seem to be more executions even as actual violent crime drops nation-wide, or alternately show you how in Michigan has vast fluxuation in murder-rate both up and down with no Death Penalty over the course of a few decades, but then you'd just tell me there were other factors.
But obviously its reversible; you can't show me any statistic that definitively proves the death penalty to be working for the very same reason.
[/quote]If your going to make the argument...its best if you have something...anything...to back up your argument.[/quote]
Again, same to you.
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So for the few that could not be deterred..your advocating eliminating the deterrent for the majority.....hmmm...sounds liberalish
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Well no, the point of the example is that there's no basis to declare it a deterent at all.
If for example, you said eating chocolate was great for you and made people thin, and I said that there were ample numbers of fat chocolate eaters, it would be silly for you to say that I was attempting to keep a majority from being thin just because there as evidence to the contrary.
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How about you just link the post and lets see what he said and what he based his argument on....rather than what you think he said
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I can't link a post to something I read in a book (Freakonomics if you're curious, I feel bad dropping the name twice on the same site now though) but it has a pretty fascinating chapter on crime rate.
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again--is that 9 murderers in the world--living in my city....need the info
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Well, no, actually you don't. Whether we were discussing one city or the world the example would fall flat.
And instead of relying on the unlinkable quote, let me instead ask you this: Each time you kill a person with the death penalty, on average, how many people do you think use it as their sole reason, (or at least sufficient reason) to not commit murder?
If you can't quantify it, how can you suggest its a statistically backable reality?
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The death penalty is lazy....then what exactly is a life sentence??
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Not lazy. The Death penalty robs us of the ability to ask any of the "why" questions, and it promotes negligance of the accused. It's an easy way out.
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So you want me to pay for the food/shelter/health care/ and security of a murderer for their entire life.....
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Yup. Suck it up. People don't cease to be people becasue they've done something stupid.
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AND WHAT ABOUT THE .1% OF THOSE WRONGLY CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TO LIFE???
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They can be freed. It happened to a guy just last year who was making the talk show circut. He was greatful to have finally been pardoned of a crime he did not commit and will get to go on to live some kind of life. If he'd been killed that choice would not exist.
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If I turn your own argument on you...will you see the light?
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If you ever do, I'm sure it will be quite illuminating.
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Life sentences dont deter murderers.....
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Neither does the death penalty.
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so we should just stop doing that....just hand out tickets and fines for commiting murder
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Life sentances allow us to keep potentially threatening people away from harming others. If they happen to be capable of reforming, they may. IF they are not capable, at least they're hurting no one. I believe it wrong to rob people of the opportunity out of hand.
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