GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, BULLETS DO - Sequel

Commonsense · #51 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 07:00 PM

There will be a big push before long to take our guns. They need the guns gone before they complete the push for a North American Union.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #52 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

Protection, recreation, Hunting.

destruction? in all cases you suggested. Protection = Someone Destroyed Hunting = Animal Destroyed Recreation = Targets destroyed.

So I'll answer the question for you because you won't... guns serve one purpose and one purpose only = DESTRUCTION

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #53 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gdfather02

Doesn't matter. It is a right that is GUARANTEED under our constitution. Want to change that FACT, get your reps together in congress, garner 2/3 of a majority to get the 2nd amendment overturned. Its that simple....

You want to be a real man? Buy a bow and try killing a deer any other animal because that is a challenge and tradition in this country (if you use the meat.)

As for 2nd amendment I agree that arms are protected but the technology of firearms have changed a thousand fold since this document was written and based on the word "arms" could include up to and including a nuclear weapon wouldn't it? Tank? Fighter jets... a few billionaires in this country could fund a private army. Is that safe?

Answer that question because you gun people NEVER RESPOND TO THIS FACT>>>>> EVER

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #54 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Commonsense

There will be a big push before long to take our guns. They need the guns gone before they complete the push for a North American Union.

Let me guess... you live in the back woods of Oregon in a "COMPOUND" waiting for the end of the world?

Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge...

dope.

36shadow · #55 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

destruction? in all cases you suggested. Protection = Someone Destroyed Hunting = Animal Destroyed Recreation = Targets destroyed.

So I'll answer the question for you because you won't... guns serve one purpose and one purpose only = DESTRUCTION

no not destruction but to killllll you kill a deer you don't destroy the whole herd you kill the intruder not the whole town your right in one sense it was invevted for one reason and that is to do harm but not in the sense you implie

gdfather02 · #56 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

You want to be a real man? Buy a bow and try killing a deer any other animal because that is a challenge and tradition in this country (if you use the meat.)

As for 2nd amendment I agree that arms are protected but the technology of firearms have changed a thousand fold since this document was written and based on the word "arms" could include up to and including a nuclear weapon wouldn't it? Tank? Fighter jets... a few billionaires in this country could fund a private army. Is that safe?

Answer that question because you gun people NEVER RESPOND TO THIS FACT>>>>> EVER

Take notes fom our founders and learn dolt....

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"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

-Thomas Jefferson.

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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

-Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.

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"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

-Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8.

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"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."

-Patrick Henry.

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"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..."

-Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).

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"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."

-Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."

-George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

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"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms."

-Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

-Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).

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"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."

-Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

Like I said, we are not allowed to just "pick and choose" those amendments that fit a particular agenda. Either you are for the constitution, or you are against; either follow it, or break the law, really quite simple.

Now, we do have a process whereby the constitution can be amended. Get your elected representative to step foward and put forth an bill to amend the 2nd amendment.

You can argue that FACT until your face turns a nice shade of navy blue, but it won't make a bit of difference....

gdfather02 · #57 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Let me guess... you live in the back woods of Oregon in a "COMPOUND" waiting for the end of the world?

Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge...

dope.

Wow, I thought liberals were compassionate....

noneof yourbusiness · #58 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

destruction? in all cases you suggested. Protection = Someone Destroyed Hunting = Animal Destroyed Recreation = Targets destroyed.

So I'll answer the question for you because you won't... guns serve one purpose and one purpose only = DESTRUCTION

No they dont. Protection is saving lives . Hunting is age old. Cirtial of hunting is a destructive as over hunting. Recreation is not destructive at all. A hole in apiece of paper....thats a bit much. One coud say pot is destructive. That book making is destructive..home building etc. Its a bit much to say its all destruction.

Commonsense · #59 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

You want to be a real man? Buy a bow and try killing a deer any other animal because that is a challenge and tradition in this country (if you use the meat.)

As for 2nd amendment I agree that arms are protected but the technology of firearms have changed a thousand fold since this document was written and based on the word "arms" could include up to and including a nuclear weapon wouldn't it? Tank? Fighter jets... a few billionaires in this country could fund a private army. Is that safe?

Answer that question because you gun people NEVER RESPOND TO THIS FACT>>>>> EVER

What do you know about being a real man? Who declared that you are the grantor of the title "Real Man"? I have bow hunted, it is a little more challenging, but that depends upon the terrain that you hunt. The tradition would be bow hunting, provided that you are decended from the native americans, however, if you are an American of european decent, then the tradition would be hunting with a firearm.

You are correct, the technology of weapopnry has changed, and the laws regarding ownership of firearms reflect that. Those laws would be what I interpret to make a well regulated militia. Laws currently prevent people from owning many weapons. Full auto, crew served weaponry is not allowed unless the necessary permits are obtained. A plane is a plane, the armament is what is restricted. Nuclear weapons and most high explosives are also illegal. This does not conflict with the second amendment. So, what is your point? Is the NRA lobbying congress to allow the public to own nukes?

In a similar vein, the first amendment has been regulated via public law to outlaw slander and issuing false statements. Again, what is your point?

BTW, what is the purpose of a bow and arrow oh manly one?

Commonsense · #60 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Let me guess... you live in the back woods of Oregon in a "COMPOUND" waiting for the end of the world?

Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge Ruby Ridge...

dope.

Believe what you will if it makes you feel better, but I, and others with very similar beliefs, am your next door neighbor, I am the guy who hold your mortgage, I am the guy who delivers your pity me checks.

Oregon...Arizona....yeah, I quess they are easy to mix up. afterall, they both start with a vowel. As for waiting for the end of the world...isn't the sky is falling a liberal approach?