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Old 04-22-2007, 08:45 PM
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This is the world that the Republicans have made. Be happy and dwell in it.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:11 PM
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Not on a bet. You are an acid head. No one pays any attention to you. Some may read your post for a good laugh. The Truth will not be silenced. Yell all you want. The Truth will win.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:08 AM
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This is the world that the Republicans have made. Be happy and dwell in it.
Before there where Republicans or Democrats, people were killing each other, so that statement has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:14 AM
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The point that needs to be made is that there are those that want to erase bits and pieces of our US Constitution to fit some sort of uptopia that isn't there yet.

As I stated before, the 2nd Amendment serves as a way for the citizens of this nation to keep their government in check, just in case they become too big for their britches.
The federal government, at present, is in no way, shape, or fashion deserving of the complete and total trust of the American people.

Remember, the burden of proof is not on us, it belongs to the federal government; and right now, they are doing a very s****y job.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:00 AM
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IHNR, I notice we are debating the 2nd amendment but as usual you have run away. If the 2nd amendment does not say a THING about guns, just exactly what do you personally believe it means? What do you think was the purpose of the 2nd Amendment? While we are at it do you think the 1st Amendments stated purpose of "the right to redress our grievences" means the right to show pornographic movies on the Disney Channel?
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The point that needs to be made is that there are those that want to erase bits and pieces of our US Constitution to fit some sort of uptopia that isn't there yet.

As I stated before, the 2nd Amendment serves as a way for the citizens of this nation to keep their government in check, just in case they become too big for their britches.
The federal government, at present, is in no way, shape, or fashion deserving of the complete and total trust of the American people.

Remember, the burden of proof is not on us, it belongs to the federal government; and right now, they are doing a very s****y job.
I have a gun. I support gun ownership. But I am not delusional. The American people cannot fight the American military with pistols and hunting rifles. That reason, " maintain a well regulated militia," went the way of bows and arrows. If every man and woman in this country stood up to oppose the government, they could annilhiate us. And they would. Since you seem to forget, Lincoln abolished the idea that the People had the right to overturn their government. The government has the 'right' to exist no matter what We want.
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I have a gun. I support gun ownership. But I am not delusional. The American people cannot fight the American military with pistols and hunting rifles. That reason, " maintain a well regulated militia," went the way of bows and arrows. If every man and woman in this country stood up to oppose the government, they could annilhiate us. And they would. Since you seem to forget, Lincoln abolished the idea that the People had the right to overturn their government. The government has the 'right' to exist no matter what We want.
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But without the Vietnam War and the "anti-war" movement, the Isis cult would have been contained to a fringe phenomenon -- no bigger than the beatnik cult of the 1950s that was an outgrowth of the early Huxley ventures in California. The Vietnam War created the climate of moral despair that opened America's youth to drugs.

Under Kennedy, American military involvement in Vietnam -- which had been vetoed by the Eisenhower administration -- was initiated on a limited scale. Under Lyndon Johnson, American military presence in Vietnam was massively escalated, at the same time that U.S. efforts were restricted -- the framework of "limited war." Playing on the President's profile, the anglophile Eastern Establishment, typified by top White House national security aide McGeorge Bundy and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, convinced President Johnson that under the nuclear "balance of terror," or the regime of Mutual and Assured Destruction, the United States could afford neither a political solution to the conflict, nor the commitment to a military victory.

The outcome of this debacle was a major strategic withdrawal from Asia by the United States, spelled out in Henry Kissinger's "Guam Doctrine," adoption of the spectacular failure known as the "China Card" strategy for containing Soviet influence, and demoralization of the American people over the war to the point that the sense of national pride and confidence in the future progress of the republic was badly damaged.

Just as Aldous Huxley began the counterculture subversion of the United States thirty years before its consequences became evident to the public, Lord Bertrand Russell began laying the foundations for the anti-war movement of the 1960s before the 1930s expired. Russell's "pacifism" was always relative -- the means to his most cherished end, one-world government on the imperial model, that would curb the nation-state and its persistent tendency toward republicanism and technological progress.

Lord Russell and Aldous Huxley cofounded the Peace Pledge Union in 1937 campaigning for peace with Hitler-just before both went to the United States for the duration of World War.20 During World War II, Lord Russell opposed British and American warfare against the Nazis. 1111947, when the United States was in possession of the atomic bomb and Russia was not, Russell loudly advocated that the United States order the Soviets to surrender to a one-world government that would enjoy a restrictive monopoly on nuclear weapons, under the threat of a preemptive World War III against the Soviet Union. His 1950s "Ban the Bomb" movement was directed to the same end-it functioned as an anti-technology movement against the peace-through-economic development potentials represented by President Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace"' initiative.

From the mid-1950s onward, Russell's principal assignment was to build an international anti-war and anti-American movement. Coincident with the escalation of U.S. involvement in Vietnam under British manipulation, Russell upgraded the old Peace Pledge Union (which had been used in West Germany throughout the postwar period to promote an anti-capitalist "New left" wing of the Social Democratic Party, recruiting several future members of the Baader-Meinhof terrorist gang in the process) into the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation.

In the United States, the New York banks provided several hundred thousand dollars to establish the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), effectively the U.S. branch of the Russell Peace Foundation. Among the founding trustees of the IPS was James Warburg, directly representing the family's interests.

IPS drew its most active operatives from a variety of British-dominated institutions. IPS founding director Marcus Raskin was a member of the Kennedy administration's National Security Council and also a fellow of the National Training Labs, a U.S. subsidiary of the Tavistock Institute founded by Dr. Kurt Lewin.

After its creation by the League for Industrial Democracy, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), the umbrella of the student anti-war movement, was in turn financed and run through IPS -- up through and beyond its splintering into a number of terrorist and Maoist gangs in the late 1960s.21 More broadly, the institutions and outlook of the U.S. anti-war movement were dominated by the direct political descendants of the British-dominated "socialist movement" in the U.S.A., fostered by the House of Morgan as far back as the years before World War!.

This is not to say that the majority of anti-war protesters were paid, certified British agents. On the contrary, the overwhelming majority of anti-war protesters went into SDS on the basis of outrage at the developments in Vietnam. But once caught in the environment defined by Russell and the Tavistock Institute's psychological warfare experts, and inundated with the message that hedonistic pleasure-seeking was a legitimate alternative to "immoral war," their sense of values and their creative potential went up in a cloud of hashish smoke.

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I heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn.' As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious.


"Then once more I beheld the villages, towns, and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice, 'While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last.' And taking from his brow the crown on which was blazoned the word "Union," he placed it upon the Standard, while the people, kneeling down, said, 'IN CHRISTS' NAME


"The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, 'Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, passing which the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land, and the Union.' With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat, and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States."


"Such, my friends," concluded the venerable narrator, "were the words I heard from General Washington's own lips, and America will do well to profit by them."

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Old 04-23-2007, 03:38 PM
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I have a gun. I support gun ownership. But I am not delusional. The American people cannot fight the American military with pistols and hunting rifles. That reason, " maintain a well regulated militia," went the way of bows and arrows. If every man and woman in this country stood up to oppose the government, they could annilhiate us. And they would. Since you seem to forget, Lincoln abolished the idea that the People had the right to overturn their government. The government has the 'right' to exist no matter what We want.

Heyjude, if we stood up to oppose the government you are correct. But if we did like the original colonist did or the Viet Cong did or the insurgents in Iraq are currently doing we could eventually win if we had the will. Didn't you see "Red Dawn"?

Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was always out manned and out gunned (generally over half of his forces went into battle unarmed, they collected weapons as they went along) but he lost fewer men and won more of his battles than any other commander on either side. We could win, it would not be easy or cheap but we could win.
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I have a gun. I support gun ownership. But I am not delusional. The American people cannot fight the American military with pistols and hunting rifles. That reason, " maintain a well regulated militia," went the way of bows and arrows. If every man and woman in this country stood up to oppose the government, they could annilhiate us. And they would. Since you seem to forget, Lincoln abolished the idea that the People had the right to overturn their government. The government has the 'right' to exist no matter what We want.
Only in our small corners of our small worlds can we resist the federal government, and even there, if they want us, they will come for us. We have actually created the monster and must now feed it or it will eat us. The only redeeming quality is that while it is a monster, it is the best monster in the world and it's ours. We still have the freedom, at this moment, to call it whatever we wish and not fear retribution and that's something.
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The only redeeming quality is that while it is a monster, it is the best monster in the world and it's ours. We still have the freedom, at this moment, to call it whatever we wish and not fear retribution and that's something.

Are you sure of that? Ask David Koresh that question.
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