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03-27-2007, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam
I do not think guns are useless objects and I believe in the right to own guns if you are not a convicted felon however Sydney there is some basis to the statisitics. Here is a link
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=home
From this link with CDC stats
Does a Gun in the Home Make You Safer?
No. Despite claims by the National Rifle Association (NRA) that you need a gun in your home to protect yourself and your family, public health research demonstrates that the person most likely to shoot you or a family member with a gun already has the keys to your house. Simply put: guns kept in the home for self-protection are more often used to kill somebody you know than to kill in self-defense; 22 times more likely, according to a 1998 study by the Journal of Trauma.[1] More kids, teenagers and adult family members are dying from firearms in their own home than criminal intruders. When someone is home, a gun is used for protection in fewer than two percent of home invasion crimes.[2] You may be surprised to know that, in 1999, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, there were only 154 justifiable homicides committed by private citizens with a firearm compared with a total of 8,259 firearm murders in the United States. Once a bullet leaves a gun, who is to say that it will stop only a criminal and not a family member? Yet at every opportunity the NRA uses the fear of crime to promote the need for ordinary citizens to keep guns in their home for self-protection. Furthermore, the NRA continues to oppose life-saving measures that require safe-storage of guns in the home.
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It is my opinion that criminals need to ASSUME that they will be killed if trying to enter my home with mayhem in mind. I've had my guns for years and never had to use one, but I like knowing that I could if needed. Maybe it's different here in TEXAS and given that everyone around me knows my profession, but I've been told several times that people just assume that I'm armed. Sorry, but for privacy's sake and self protection, I cannot divulge what that profession is, but let's just say it is security related and I would be easy to identify. Anyway, my grandson is safe from my weapons as is the rest of my family and I am NOT giving them up. Who knows what calamity tomorrow may bring. I'm well trained in their use and care and range qualified as an expert marksman as was my mother, my grandmother and great grandmother. The men hunted and the women protected the home in their absence.
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03-27-2007, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Guns are useless objects who's only purpose is to kill or destroy, the usually end up being used on family members during drunken rages or divorce battles and almost never used to "defend" a person's home.
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Now we have talked about your need to embelish these statistics before. You know what you are saying is ignorant and wrong, yet you still say it. Why is that? Guns are used more than 2.5 million times a year to ward of assailants(muggers, robbers, etc). Your story about a drunkard killing his family keeps coming up, though never substantiated with any facts. Is this a personal experience?
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03-27-2007, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam
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Using Brady Campaign statistics is like using Handgun Control Inc. and NRA statistics. It stinks a little bit.
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03-27-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Guns are useless objects who's only purpose is to kill or destroy, the usually end up being used on family members during drunken rages or divorce battles and almost never used to "defend" a person's home.
The home invasions which do not happen because of guns don't figure into the statistics, so it is hard to quantify.
Also, the need to have powered rifles and automatic weapson for "hunting" are disgusting because these weapon are usually used on cops.
Agreed. There is no reason for automatic weapons.
If you want to hunt, be a man, like my brother who uses a bow during bow season. If you can bring down an animal like our ancestors did and you use the meat I have no problem with hunting.
I don't think our ancestors used the same type of bows. Does your brother make his own bows and arrows? I don't hunt because I think it is boring, but there is nothing wrong with hunting with a gun.
Basically all of you NRA are men with low self esteem and probably small penises, who need a way to make up for that defect and can't afford a a super large pick up truck.
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Michael Moore is in the NRA. Does it apply to him as well?
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03-27-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom1
Michael Moore is in the NRA. Does it apply to him as well?
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Michael Moore is nothing but a disgusting fat fucking hippie
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03-27-2007, 12:37 PM
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03-27-2007, 12:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Guns are useless objects who's only purpose is to kill or destroy, the usually end up being used on family members during drunken rages or divorce battles and almost never used to "defend" a person's home.
Also, the need to have powered rifles and automatic weapson for "hunting" are disgusting because these weapon are usually used on cops.
If you want to hunt, be a man, like my brother who uses a bow during bow season. If you can bring down an animal like our ancestors did and you use the meat I have no problem with hunting.
Basically all of you NRA are men with low self esteem and probably small penises, who need a way to make up for that defect and can't afford a a super large pick up truck.
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I used a swedish model 42 8x57 to remove a section of footer in my basement I couldn't get with my stone saw:-)
My mini 14 was broken at the time
GUNS are NOT useless.....they are a tool.......the 2nd amendments not about hunting......I hunt with a bow...........and GUNS.....fuck you natsi:-(

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03-27-2007, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lookagain
I used a swedish model 42 8x57 to remove a section of footer in my basement I couldn't get with my stone saw:-)
My mini 14 was broken at the time
GUNS are NOT useless.....they are a tool.......the 2nd amendments not about hunting......I hunt with a bow...........and GUNS.....fuck you natsi:-(

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It was cheaper than renting a Jack-Hammer........and a lot more fun TOO:-)
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03-27-2007, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
I do not think guns are useless objects and I believe in the right to own guns if you are not a convicted felon however Sydney there is some basis to the statisitics. Here is a link
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=home
From this link with CDC stats
Does a Gun in the Home Make You Safer?
No. Despite claims by the National Rifle Association (NRA) that you need a gun in your home to protect yourself and your family, public health research demonstrates that the person most likely to shoot you or a family member with a gun already has the keys to your house. Simply put: guns kept in the home for self-protection are more often used to kill somebody you know than to kill in self-defense; 22 times more likely, according to a 1998 study by the Journal of Trauma.[1] More kids, teenagers and adult family members are dying from firearms in their own home than criminal intruders. When someone is home, a gun is used for protection in fewer than two percent of home invasion crimes.[2] You may be surprised to know that, in 1999, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, there were only 154 justifiable homicides committed by private citizens with a firearm compared with a total of 8,259 firearm murders in the United States. Once a bullet leaves a gun, who is to say that it will stop only a criminal and not a family member? Yet at every opportunity the NRA uses the fear of crime to promote the need for ordinary citizens to keep guns in their home for self-protection. Furthermore, the NRA continues to oppose life-saving measures that require safe-storage of guns in the home.
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SORRY SAM....you R brainwashed
The CDC is the APA is the WOODPECKERS:-(
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q...go.x=12&go.y=7
USE THE SONG.....don't B hyptnotized by it;-)

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03-27-2007, 02:35 PM
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Machiavelli Incarnate
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Hi Lookagain...I do trust the CDC but I believe there are no stats that are perfect. Like I said I think many more are killed per year in gun related deaths used on family and friends then intruders however I believe that any law abiding American should have a right to own guns . I think there are situations I could be in I might want a gun but in my life right now I do not need one.
On a lighter note just a few weeks ago at the hospital where I work we had woman force her husband at gunpoint to be evaluated at our ER. Security took her gun(no firearms are allowed in our hospital except by law enforcement or security officers.) Later when I spoke with the wife concerning her husband she told me a handgun was the best way to make a bullheaded man behave. I really did LOL later when I drove home from work.
Sydney you raised a valid point about a gun could be a deterrent in preventing a break in.
Last edited by Sam; 03-27-2007 at 02:37 PM.
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