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03-28-2008, 11:08 AM
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Self Defense and the 2nd Amendment
The most important right owned by man by the very nature of being man is the right to life. It is a “human right” if you will. All other rights require a belief in the right to life in order to have any validity. For example one may have a right to free speech but that right is meaningless without an attendant right to life. If one has no right to life then their right of free speech can be silenced by simply ending that life.
If one has an inviolate right to life then it follows that one also has an inviolate right to defend that life when threatened. What right to life do I have if I am unable to stop someone from taking it? Ordinarily, as a civilized society, we in modern terms “outsource” our protection to the military and the police. However, what happens when either of those two entities is unable or unwilling to engage in our defense? In the early 1970’s the District Court in Washington DC ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect any individual from harm. If the police have no obligation to protect us who does? Are we not then permitted to engage in our own self defense in pursuit of maintaining our right to life?
Many today would deprive us of a method of engaging in self defense. Many today clamor for gun control, even though all statistics show that guns in the hands of private law abiding citizens decrease the amount of crime. Every state that has enacted Right to Carry laws since 1990 has seen a reduction in the amount of violent crime. The highest crime rates are in cities and states which limit the availability of weapons for ordinary citizens.
To paraphrase Patrick Henry; When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. This has been driven home time and time again. Washington DC allows no legal gun ownership yet has the highest murder rate in the country. Chicago does not allow its citizens to own guns; gun crime has risen dramatically in the past few years. England and Australia have completely banned both handguns and long guns and have both seen skyrocketing murder rates. Yet the cry to ban guns continues.
The right to life includes the right to protect that right. The availability of handguns and rifles insures that the ordinary citizen has the means to engage in self defense whenever necessary. Anything less is a violation of our civil and human rights.
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03-28-2008, 05:29 PM
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Nathan, very good post. Personally, I was raised around guns, learned to shoot and respect them at an early age. Our guns were never locked up, but we live in a VERY different world today. People are not taught respect, and there are very few consequences for our behavior. Perhaps if one of those consequences is that you might get shot for committing a crime, then perhaps people would start to think twice about their behavior.
Self-defense should not only be our right, but our obligation.
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03-29-2008, 09:39 AM
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Anybody who thinks law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns should be forced to live in public housing down on Martin Luther King Blvd. in Atlanta for a week or so. Then we'll see how they feel about it.
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03-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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Or Beatty's Ford Road in Charlotte.
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03-31-2008, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jffguenther
Anybody who thinks law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns should be forced to live in public housing down on Martin Luther King Blvd. in Atlanta for a week or so. Then we'll see how they feel about it.
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In view of the fact that African Americans are victims of crime at a much higher rate than any other group depriving them of a means of defense borders on racism.
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03-31-2008, 09:06 AM
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Shouldn't have to be that way.........
A shotgun in the bedroom, a softball bat behind the front door, and a snowshovel on the porch- welcome to life in Minneapolis. By the way, its snowing like crazy again today.
A shame when you need to look at your guns as something for more than hunting & fun....... 
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03-31-2008, 03:10 PM
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Urban dwellers obviously face more per capita crime than we rural folks. That being said, try calling 911 with someone trying to force entry into your home, then waiting 3 1/2 hours for a deputy sheriff to show up. This actually happened to my daughter. Fortunately, living nearby, I showed up in less than 10 minutes, and the intruder fled. Therefore, I and my family will NOT be disarmed and to hell with politicians and the unconstitutional statutes they like to propose.
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03-31-2008, 03:40 PM
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That is why I say regressive Gun Control is Racist. It disarms Blacks, thus turning their neighborhoods into crime infested Ghettos. Since, Blacks tend to live in Gun control heave areas, yet they have the most gun violence....
Go fucking figure.
The prohibition on Black's owning firearms and the prohibition on Narcotics need to end, both would turn around the Black Community, give them a sense of individual responsibility and all that stuff.
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03-31-2008, 03:41 PM
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Remember the Korean and Vietnamese Shop Owners during the LA riots using SKS rifles to fend off looters? That is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. To protect life, liberty and property.
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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
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03-31-2008, 04:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jffguenther
Anybody who thinks law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns should be forced to live in public housing down on Martin Luther King Blvd. in Atlanta for a week or so. Then we'll see how they feel about it.
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I think its fuckign hillarious that every city I have been in, the road named after MLK is a in a shithole area overun with Black thugs and rampent with murder and crime. Irony is funny to me.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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