Self Defense and the 2nd Amendment

wow · #31 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DammitBoy!

When I was attacked by thirteen teenagers with baseball bats, and nearly beaten to death, while just trying to cross the street to get to my car - I would have loved to have had a concealed firearm.

Since I'm not Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris - I fail to see what 'social skill' or combat skill could have saved me from harm.

I'm pretty sure three weeks in the hospital and eight weeks with my jaw wired shut could have been avoided if I'd had a concealed carry permit back then.

That's a shame you can not legally protect yourself.
I have been threatened twice. I ask them why they bring a stick or bat to a gun fight. They get scared and walk away.
Both times, I was not carrying a gun.
I have always wondered why they never ask to see my gun?

nathanbforrest45 · #32 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by scotthmm

Pardon me, but there's a distinction to be drawn between concealed carry and home defense.

Unless you really feel the need to carry a weapon given the simple fact that you can't defend yourself without it. Either way, when you leave your home, it's no longer home defense.

And when it's concealed and you're in a public place, it's a concealed weapon.

Get it? Let me illustrate further. I have recently moved to one of the murder capitals of the US, deliberately so. Dusk is coming soon. I think I'll take an evening walk. Just as I often take a pre-dawn walk. Right through the middle of it. When I take a walk, I do arm myself. With a book or newspaper.
That's all I need. The only weapons I've ever had to use for self defense in public have been a golf club, a stick, a knife that was in my car and the look in my eyes.

So tell me, What social or combat skills do you lack that make it necessary for you to carry a firearm in public places?

Or are you just a sad political operative who's a cowardly piece of crap, terrified of interacting with people who don't subscribe to the same horsecrap that you've sadly married yourself to? You're afraid.

You're a coward. You're not a man who can walk down the street without a weapon.

Wow, you are so right. If I were a student at Virginia Tech I should have been able to just walk up to the gunman with a golf club and the look in my eye and he would have backed down. I understand you are sooooo right.

The best part of your philosophy is that one day you are sure to win the Darwin Award by arching your eyebrows and getting your ass shot off. Darwinism will prevail by once again diminishing the genetic defects in the gene pool

Yellowjacket · #33 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 05:15 PM

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When I take a walk, I do arm myself. With a book or newspaper.
That's all I need. The only weapons I've ever had to use for self defense in public have been a golf club, a stick, a knife that was in my car and the look in my eyes.

The fact that a person carries a firearm does not imply that it is his only defensive option, merely the final one to be used as a last resort. If you are comfortable with a book or newspaper as your "final option", that is certainly your decision to make, and I sincerely hope it is always enough. Just don't force others to make the same choice. The choice of "how much force is enough" is a personal one and is usually based on several factors, fear not necessarily being one of them. Law enforcement has what is known as a "Use of Force Continuum" which acts as a guide for appropriate amount of force. It is not "carved in stone", but a general guideline. For instance, if a subject is simply verbaly beligerent, personal demeanor and a defensive posture, (your "look in the eye"), is usually appropriate. If the subject attempts to grapple, the officer may use striking techniques or pepper spray. If the subject tries to strike, the officer may use impact weapons such as a baton, or pepper spray. If a subject has a weapon and is capable of inflicting death or serious physical harm, the officer may use lethal force. In all cases, officers must use the least amount of force reasonably necessary to contain and control the situation. In all cases, "other factors" are also considered to determine appropriate force. Factors, such as age of all parties involved, physical condition of all parties involved, abilities (if known) of all parties involved, number of parties involved, and so forth. This does not imply that the officer, since he carries a gun, is a coward. He is merely being prepared for a worst case scenario while hoping not to need it. While a private citizen may not willingly go looking for trouble, he should have the right and ability to defend himself appropriately if trouble comes to him. Personally, I have seen enough examples of man's inhumanity to man, and still do on a routine basis. I am not going to become a voluntary victim.

satv365 · #34 (**permalink**) 04-04-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Because you should not need to argue the Natural Right a person has to protect himself and his property. Crime goes down when Gun Control is loosened, period. Like the other dude said. This is not fucking Korea or Japan. We are not descended from Samurai and Ninjas. We are descended from people who used 3 shots a minute firearms to defeat the world's superpower.

Can we not agree that this statement above shot his argument down in it's entirity? Seriously, what else needs to be said.

Newspapers are good for reading, and potty training a dog. Last I heard they did not shoot bullets or cut flesh.

1wiseguy · #35 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by scotthmm

Pardon me, but there's a distinction to be drawn between concealed carry and home defense.

Unless you really feel the need to carry a weapon given the simple fact that you can't defend yourself without it. Either way, when you leave your home, it's no longer home defense.

And when it's concealed and you're in a public place, it's a concealed weapon.

Get it? Let me illustrate further. I have recently moved to one of the murder capitals of the US, deliberately so. Dusk is coming soon. I think I'll take an evening walk. Just as I often take a pre-dawn walk. Right through the middle of it. When I take a walk, I do arm myself. With a book or newspaper.
That's all I need. The only weapons I've ever had to use for self defense in public have been a golf club, a stick, a knife that was in my car and the look in my eyes.

So tell me, What social or combat skills do you lack that make it necessary for you to carry a firearm in public places?

Or are you just a sad political operative who's a cowardly piece of crap, terrified of interacting with people who don't subscribe to the same horsecrap that you've sadly married yourself to? You're afraid.

You're a coward. You're not a man who can walk down the street without a weapon.

No my friend... it is you who is the real coward. Only coward's and tyrants are afraid to allow others to be able to defend themselves. If you really put yourself in harms way with that attitude, you are just a victim waiting to happen. Enjoy your walks while you can.

DammitBoy! · #36 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wow

That's a shame you can not legally protect yourself.

I can legally protect myself now. Back then, I was underage to own a pistol or a permit to carry. Plus, I was in Washington, DC.

Now, I carry all the time and my pistol carries 15 rounds, just in case I meet up with 13 hoodlums again...

A. Crowley · #37 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 12:00 PM

.............pussy.

satv365 · #38 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A. Crowley

.............pussy.

I'm in your book depositories, shootin your prez!

nathanbforrest45 · #39 (**permalink**) 04-07-2008, 12:17 PM

Do people like Crowley really believe that no one is ever attacked, maimed, murdered, by total strangers for no reason? Does Crowley believe a kind word would have stopped Columbine or Virginia Tech or the Killeen Texas shooting? Do they honestly believe just looking mean is enough? I cannot believe they are so stupid as to not recognize that these kinds of shootings can happen anywhere at any time for any reason. If they don't believe the claptrap they are spouting then just what is their motivation to disarm us and leave us vunerable to the lawless and insane?

A. Crowley · #40 (**permalink**) 04-07-2008, 12:26 PM

I mbelieve in the right to carry, Bushbot.

Nobody will ever take my guns.

You ain't going to stop or prevent another Columbine by packing however, and I fear idiots like you as much as the Gone-Postal Republicant Whackjob on a mission.

Teak carries to the mall for example....

He's so stupid that somebody innocent is sure to die.

He says: "Keep Crotch-Rot Susie home then!"