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Old 03-24-2008, 07:17 PM
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Default Gun Control is Racist and Elitist.

In the United States of America, gun control has a strong racist origin and reasoning. Before the Civil War ended, State "Slave Codes" prohibited slaves from owning guns. After President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, and after the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution abolishing slavery was adopted and the Civil War ended in 1865, States persisted in prohibiting blacks, now freemen, from owning guns under laws renamed "Black Codes." They did so on the basis that blacks were not citizens, and thus did not have the same rights, including the right to keep and bear arms protected in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as whites. This view was specifically articulated by the U.S. Supreme Court in its infamous 1857 decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford to uphold slavery.

The United States Congress overrode most portions of the Black Codes by passing the Civil Rights Act of 1866. The legislative histories of both the Civil Rights Act and the Fourteenth Amendment, as well as The Special Report of the Anti-Slavery Conference of 1867, are replete with denunciations of those particular statutes that denied blacks equal access to firearms. [Kates, "Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment," 82 Mich. L. Rev. 204, 256 (1983)] However, facially neutral disarming through economic means laws remain in effect.

After the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1878, most States turned to "facially neutral" business or transaction taxes on handgun purchases. However, the intention of these laws was not neutral. An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax...on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham," whose "cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime.... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights."[28] Thus, many Southern States imposed high taxes or banned inexpensive guns so as to price blacks and poor whites out of the gun market.

Today, "gun control" laws continue to be enacted so as to have a racist effect if not intent:

* Police-issued license and permit laws, unless drafted to require issuance to those not prohibited by law from owning guns, are routinely used to prevent lawful gun ownership among "unpopular" populations.
* Public housing residents, approximately 3 million Americans, are singled out for gun bans.
* "Gun sweeps" by police in "high crime neighborhoods" whereby vehicles and "pedestrians who meet a specific profile that might indicate they are carrying a weapon" are searched are becoming popular, and are being studied by the U.S. Department of Justice as "Operation Ceasefire."
* Some U.S. cities with high minority populations, such as Washington, D.C., are singled out for gun bans.
* "Project Exile" began in the U.S. city of Richmond, Virginia and mandated that people arrested for technical firearms violations (note: not for violent crimes committed with a firearm, but for technical violations of the law) be tried in federal court where they would be subject to lengthy mandatory minimum sentences rather than in state court under the more lenient Virginia laws. As with many other restrictions this was aimed primarily at the city's Black residents. It has since been copied in many other cities.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:15 PM
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In the United States of America, gun control has a strong racist origin and reasoning. Before the Civil War ended, State "Slave Codes" prohibited slaves from owning guns. After President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, and after the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution abolishing slavery was adopted and the Civil War ended in 1865, States persisted in prohibiting blacks, now freemen, from owning guns under laws renamed "Black Codes." They did so on the basis that blacks were not citizens, and thus did not have the same rights, including the right to keep and bear arms protected in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as whites. This view was specifically articulated by the U.S. Supreme Court in its infamous 1857 decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford to uphold slavery.

The United States Congress overrode most portions of the Black Codes by passing the Civil Rights Act of 1866. The legislative histories of both the Civil Rights Act and the Fourteenth Amendment, as well as The Special Report of the Anti-Slavery Conference of 1867, are replete with denunciations of those particular statutes that denied blacks equal access to firearms. [Kates, "Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment," 82 Mich. L. Rev. 204, 256 (1983)] However, facially neutral disarming through economic means laws remain in effect.

After the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1878, most States turned to "facially neutral" business or transaction taxes on handgun purchases. However, the intention of these laws was not neutral. An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax...on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham," whose "cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime.... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights."[28] Thus, many Southern States imposed high taxes or banned inexpensive guns so as to price blacks and poor whites out of the gun market.

Today, "gun control" laws continue to be enacted so as to have a racist effect if not intent:

* Police-issued license and permit laws, unless drafted to require issuance to those not prohibited by law from owning guns, are routinely used to prevent lawful gun ownership among "unpopular" populations.
* Public housing residents, approximately 3 million Americans, are singled out for gun bans.
* "Gun sweeps" by police in "high crime neighborhoods" whereby vehicles and "pedestrians who meet a specific profile that might indicate they are carrying a weapon" are searched are becoming popular, and are being studied by the U.S. Department of Justice as "Operation Ceasefire."
* Some U.S. cities with high minority populations, such as Washington, D.C., are singled out for gun bans.
* "Project Exile" began in the U.S. city of Richmond, Virginia and mandated that people arrested for technical firearms violations (note: not for violent crimes committed with a firearm, but for technical violations of the law) be tried in federal court where they would be subject to lengthy mandatory minimum sentences rather than in state court under the more lenient Virginia laws. As with many other restrictions this was aimed primarily at the city's Black residents. It has since been copied in many other cities.
Yep, That's why liberals LOVE gun control.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:56 PM
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Easy! Liberals don't want their supporters to be armed. Look at the "Saturday Night Specials" that were outlawed. It used a 'melting point' to determine what was legal to sell. What it did was ban the $80.00-$150.00 handguns that the POOR could afford to defend themselves IN THEIR CRIME RIDDEN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I don't own any cheap handguns. I own some CZ'S ( $500.00 ) to a few Smith & Wessons ( $800.00 ) so it doesn't effect me. It does bother me however that Liberals think so little of their supporters that they want them disarmed................Gee wonder why that is?
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Easy! Liberals don't want their supporters to be armed. Look at the "Saturday Night Specials" that were outlawed. It used a 'melting point' to determine what was legal to sell. What it did was ban the $80.00-$150.00 handguns that the POOR could afford to defend themselves IN THEIR CRIME RIDDEN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I don't own any cheap handguns. I own some CZ'S ( $500.00 ) to a few Smith & Wessons ( $800.00 ) so it doesn't effect me. It does bother me however that Liberals think so little of their supporters that they want them disarmed................Gee wonder why that is?
Really, because I buy most of my guns from foreign military surplus. You can get German made Lugers for 50 bucks plus shipping. Or an AK74 for 200 and change. More if you want the accessories, like bayonet, spare part and cleaning kits.

Your rather dumb, if you buy self defense weapons from American Private Manufacturers. They break down, and are over taxed. The best weaponry comes from Surplus. It is made for Combat and is incredibly cheaper.

Shit, If I had a boat I would spend half my time in Africa making a killing off of M16s. Which you can buy from a surplus supplier for 400 bucks.
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:38 PM
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Your rather dumb, if you buy self defense weapons from American Private Manufacturers. They break down, and are over taxed. The best weaponry comes from Surplus. It is made for Combat and is incredibly cheaper.

You trust your life to SURPLUS?????????????? Weapons made 50-100 years ago, in a third World country, a lot with slave labor, and a unknown history? I prefer to trust my ass to MODERN steel, CNC milling, MODERN springs, and a history I know. Each to his own.
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Old 03-25-2008, 08:28 PM
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You trust your life to SURPLUS?????????????? Weapons made 50-100 years ago, in a third World country, a lot with slave labor, and a unknown history? I prefer to trust my ass to MODERN steel, CNC milling, MODERN springs, and a history I know. Each to his own.
Western Germany made the best quality pistols. The best m16s where made during the first Iraq War period. Now, the flashy style of modern arms, is all good for the shooting sports and collectors, but if you want to kill something or be prepared to kill something, be more selective in what you purchase.

Of which, if you want a good assault rifle, never, ever buy an AR-15 from Olympic or the European counterparts.

If you want a good hunting rifle, and M1 Garand or an m14 is better than any flashy hunting rifle made on the civilian market, as well.
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Western Germany made the best quality pistols. The best m16s where made during the first Iraq War period. Now, the flashy style of modern arms, is all good for the shooting sports and collectors, but if you want to kill something or be prepared to kill something, be more selective in what you purchase.

Of which, if you want a good assault rifle, never, ever buy an AR-15 from Olympic or the European counterparts.

If you want a good hunting rifle, and M1 Garand or an m14 is better than any flashy hunting rifle made on the civilian market, as well.


PSSSSSSSSSSST! AR15's are NOT sold on the surplus market, nor are M14's. They are both MODERN RIFLES, and American made.
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PSSSSSSSSSSST! AR15's are NOT sold on the surplus market, nor are M14's. They are both MODERN RIFLES, and American made.
Pick a position and stick with it.
M14s are.. AR15s are not, I never said they where. I said m16s are.

Or do you have no idea where the IRA or ETA or Africa or Eastern Europe gets its gear? Mostly from Soviet, American and Nato military surplus that was sold in bulk when the Cold War died down.

Nations sell their guns to private dealers who sell them to anyone who can buy them. Or do you just want to argue for the sake of so?
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