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03-27-2008, 07:11 AM
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The SC will say it is not a violation of the 2nd Amendment, because it isn't. The District of Columbia is under the sole rule of the Federal Government, and not subject to the Bill of Rights guaranteed to the States and the People of those States. The reason they'll find it perfectly Constitutional is that they will fool most Americans into believeing that their ruling also applies to the States.
Then they can always lean either way...if the People swallow it, they'll let them be deceived. If the People start slaughtering Politicians in the streets, they SC will clarify and say "Nonono....not EVERYWHERE, just outside the States. Washington DC isn't under the protection of States Rights, silly people."
It's an experiment. Nothing more. Guns have been banned in DC for a long time...it's being addressed just to test the waters and see if We the People are ready to surrender our 2nd Amendment rights yet, or if they should wait a little longer to take those rights.
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The District of Columbia IS under the same Bill of Rights restrictions as the states, and residents there enjoy the same Constitutional protections as residents of the several states. The supreme court has ruled so in Callan v. Wilson, Wright v. Davidson and other cases.
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03-27-2008, 08:08 AM
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The District of Columbia IS under the same Bill of Rights restrictions as the states, and residents there enjoy the same Constitutional protections as residents of the several states. The supreme court has ruled so in Callan v. Wilson, Wright v. Davidson and other cases.
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03-27-2008, 09:18 AM
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It is interesting to note that Washington DC has the most draconian anti gun laws in the nation and the highest murder rate in the nation. Every state that has passed Right to Carry laws has seen a drop in murders, rapes and crimes in general. In 1973 three women were brutally raped and tortured although they called the police on several occasions. The police never showed up. The women sued the police but lost the case when the DC courts said the "police have no duty to protect any specific individual" If the police are not required to protect me then just exactly who will protect me if not myself?
The anti gun laws in that shithole called The District of Columbia are designed to promote criminal activiity by leaving all law abiding citizens vunerable and unprotected. Instead of allowing the people to protect themselves the DC "leadership" ("that bitch set me up") blames the law abiding people of the surrounding states for their inability to turn that travesty of our nation's capitol into something other than a third world country. Anyone who has ever visited Washington DC knows that you don't want to be on the streets after dark in any area and even before dark on most streets.
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03-27-2008, 06:20 PM
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I don't know, ever spend time in Southern Ohio?
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03-27-2008, 10:04 PM
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I don't know, ever spend time in Southern Ohio?
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03-29-2008, 10:27 PM
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It is interesting to note that Washington DC has the most draconian anti gun laws in the nation and the highest murder rate in the nation. Every state that has passed Right to Carry laws has seen a drop in murders, rapes and crimes in general. In 1973 three women were brutally raped and tortured although they called the police on several occasions. The police never showed up. The women sued the police but lost the case when the DC courts said the "police have no duty to protect any specific individual" If the police are not required to protect me then just exactly who will protect me if not myself?
The anti gun laws in that shithole called The District of Columbia are designed to promote criminal activiity by leaving all law abiding citizens vunerable and unprotected. Instead of allowing the people to protect themselves the DC "leadership" ("that bitch set me up") blames the law abiding people of the surrounding states for their inability to turn that travesty of our nation's capitol into something other than a third world country. Anyone who has ever visited Washington DC knows that you don't want to be on the streets after dark in any area and even before dark on most streets.
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Exactly my feelings on the subject. If liberals want to decrease gun violence take the weapons from the negro, the vast majority of crimes with weapons are committed by the american negro. Not PC, but true.
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04-05-2008, 07:33 AM
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Have you taken a look at what is loose in the streets of Washington D.C.???
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It is interesting to note that Washington DC has the most draconian anti gun laws in the nation and the highest murder rate in the nation. Every state that has passed Right to Carry laws has seen a drop in murders, rapes and crimes in general. In 1973 three women were brutally raped and tortured although they called the police on several occasions. The police never showed up. The women sued the police but lost the case when the DC courts said the "police have no duty to protect any specific individual" If the police are not required to protect me then just exactly who will protect me if not myself?
The anti gun laws in that shithole called The District of Columbia are designed to promote criminal activiity by leaving all law abiding citizens vunerable and unprotected. Instead of allowing the people to protect themselves the DC "leadership" ("that bitch set me up") blames the law abiding people of the surrounding states for their inability to turn that travesty of our nation's capitol into something other than a third world country. Anyone who has ever visited Washington DC knows that you don't want to be on the streets after dark in any area and even before dark on most streets.
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Have you taken a look at what is loose in the streets of Washington D.C.??? The place is saturated with idiots and lunatics that cant even take care of local services. Every year a volunteer squad of professionals - free of charge - has to step forward and help them get the services budeted and started, the schools opened up, tax matters attended to, expenditures and revenues projected and dealt with.....why dont you talk a walk through the streets of Washington D.C. and you will understand what the fuk you are dealing with insofar as the mentallity of a large portion of the residents?
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04-05-2008, 07:34 AM
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As long as criminals have guns, the public will need guns to protect themselves. Relying on the police to solve all of your personal protection needs is lunacy.
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04-06-2008, 06:16 AM
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Exactly my feelings on the subject. If liberals want to decrease gun violence take the weapons from the negro, the vast majority of crimes with weapons are committed by the american negro. Not PC, but true.
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Or allow the Negro to defend himself from the Criminals who own and operate the commerce of the Ghetto. Gun Control was set up to disarm blacks in the first place. It stays true to it's original intent, along with the countless ohter problems it causes.
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04-08-2008, 08:11 PM
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The District of Columbia IS under the same Bill of Rights restrictions as the states, and residents there enjoy the same Constitutional protections as residents of the several states. The supreme court has ruled so in Callan v. Wilson, Wright v. Davidson and other cases.
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Technically, you're right. But they get their rights handed to them piecemeal, and have to fight for some of them (such as Representation, Voting Rights, and Right to Bear Arms). They are under special, limited rights protection because of the clause in the Constitution that says :
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[The Congress shall have Power] To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States."
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In strict legalese, they have the same rights afforded any U.S. Citizen. But in reality, they aren't allowed those rights by the Federal Governments typical "give an inch, take a mile" legislation. But I guess the same holds true whether you live in a State or not...D.C. just gets some of the worst treatment. They can't get truly fair treatement comparable to the States, since they are taxed without representation. Not even the States get that kind of screwing.
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