Thoughts about gun control

Razzputin · #21 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ZakattackSJ

I agree with making it tougher for people with a mental history to get access to guns, yet why no discussion on having armed guards on campus? What about a professor who has a permit? Why is he not allowed to carry a weapon? Is it because this will lead to another NIU or VT?

The university shootings are terrible....but they also say "I TOLD YOU SO" to many fruit cakes that run around protesting guns.

Universities are supposed to be sanctuaries of learning and studying and are for everyone. The presence of armed officials is not good for the concept of sanctuary, yet what everyone fails to understand is that a sanctuary has to be protected or there is no sanctuary. You have these stupid libs running around in circles screaming "Oh no! On no! We need more gun laws so this could not happen!" The lib is the stupidest piece of illogical garbage that anyone ever came up with.

Place plain clothes security officials on the campus. Arm them....but they carry concealed! Not open carry....only concealed. Train them. Teach them. Outfit them with the finest equipment. Charge every student and every faculty member a yearly fee for contributions to the security fund. Charge every tax payer in this nation five dollars on income tax for an Educational Security Fund contribution. Saturate the campus with protective equipment, alarms, cameras, and two kinds of security - coat and tie security that works openly with no displayed arms - and undercover security known to very few officials on that campus. The campus should be gated. The dorm sector should be secured. There should be cops and guards on duty. Students must comply with security regulations or suffer expulsion until such time they are mature enough to follow the rules.

What do we have TODAY? We have demolibian scum running around the campus like chickens with their heads cut off screaming the sky is falling. I am sorry to say that some of that scum works for campus police. OUT WITH THE NAIVE.....IN THE WITH EFFECTIVE......LETS BUILD AN OPERATION HERE AND GET THIS MATTER IN HAND.

Timothy · #22 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 12:17 PM

Gun Control=agenda To Control Us

locutusofborg277 · #23 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Khappa09

Gun control is must in the unstable country we now live in. As a Virginia resident and friend to some of thoughs who were effected at Virginia Tech, i believe we need to toughen up our gun control laws. There is no reason a man who was a known threat to his own saftey should even have been allowed to touch a gun. I believe the country as a whole needs to supply laws that limit the flow of guns. We also need to make it harder to get guns. I think there needs to be more laws limiting guns to people who have mental problems even people who were given depression pill from their doctor. We as a people need to make sure that another VT or NIU never happen again.

Thoughts or Ideas?

I suffered from teenage depression and anxiety over last year's summer, right now I'm better, I didn't have to take an antidepressant such as Prozac, and my father has a huge collection of guns, are you saying that just because I temporarily suffered from a mental disorder, that the government should take away my guns?

Yellowjacket · #24 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 04:59 PM

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1st it seems like you havent hear much about some inner city crimes because i know even in my city there have been crimes commited with fully automatic weapons, police catch stashes of weapon,etc.

It seems for a college student you don't read very well:

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Fully automatic weapons require a special permit to legally own, and to the best of my knowledge, no legally owned one has been reported as used in a crime.

Note the words "LEGALLY OWN"?

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2nd gasoline was to power a engine, NOT to KILL, a gun was MADE to KILL.

And guns are specifically protected by the U.S.Constitution. What amendment protects the right to keep gasoline, or for that matter, an engine?

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Im not saying that law abiding citizens that have permit etc should not be allowed to be armed

Since when do you need a permit to exercise a right? In that one statement, you just reduced a right to the status of a privelege to be denied at will by a government bureaucrat. Do you need a permit to speak? To go to your church? Your rights are just that: RIGHTS! They don't require permission before exercising.

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if i knew that a student at the college i go to had a gun on him (legally), that wouldnt make me feel all that safe.

It doesn't have to. If it makes him/her feel safe, and he acts in a lawful manner, it should be his right.

Yellowjacket · #25 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 05:07 PM

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Saturate the campus with protective equipment, alarms, cameras, and two kinds of security - coat and tie security that works openly with no displayed arms - and undercover security known to very few officials on that campus. The campus should be gated. The dorm sector should be secured. There should be cops and guards on duty. Students must comply with security regulations

I work in a campus just like that - it's called a state prison!

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Place plain clothes security officials on the campus. Arm them....but they carry concealed! Not open carry....only concealed. Train them. Teach them. Outfit them with the finest equipment. Charge every student and every faculty member a yearly fee for contributions to the security fund. Charge every tax payer in this nation five dollars on income tax for an Educational Security Fund contribution.

I pay enough in taxes and live in enough of a police state, now. Many college students are of legal age to own guns AND can legally qualify for concealed carry. Ridiculous laws and regulations restict their ability while on campus. Lift the restriction, and you have built in security in the form of an armed citizenry, as it should be, at no expense to the taxpayers.

fedup2 · #26 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Khappa09

Gun control is must in the unstable country we now live in. As a Virginia resident and friend to some of thoughs who were effected at Virginia Tech, i believe we need to toughen up our gun control laws. There is no reason a man who was a known threat to his own saftey should even have been allowed to touch a gun. I believe the country as a whole needs to supply laws that limit the flow of guns. We also need to make it harder to get guns. I think there needs to be more laws limiting guns to people who have mental problems even people who were given depression pill from their doctor. We as a people need to make sure that another VT or NIU never happen again.

Thoughts or Ideas?

Again....when the government got thier claws in, is when the mess began. It was way too late to even begin the waiting period, or the permit to carry a gun. Who is going to get the permits???? Who is going to hand over the guns??? Do you honestly think the worst offenders using weapons are going through the legal process to obtain a gun?

I never used to believe in owning a gun....until I realized how screwed up our government is, and how they do not look out for the good guys, they cottle the criminals. Guns don't seem so bad to me anymore.

The government needs to butt out. Having them get involved in who can own a gun??? Obviously, from the list of politicians, judging one's character is not their strong point. They don't even know who is in this country or not, let alone who is sane or not. Nah, they have enough making them dizzy. Let's give that job to someone else...maybe the NRA...let them decide.

Yellowjacket · #27 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 05:52 PM

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Again....when the government got thier claws in, is when the mess began. It was way too late to even begin the waiting period, or the permit to carry a gun. Who is going to get the permits???? Who is going to hand over the guns??? Do you honestly think the worst offenders using weapons are going through the legal process to obtain a gun?

Waiting periods? Permits? Hand them over? Legal process? Firearms ownership and carry is a right. If you need a permit to do something it becomes merely a privelege. The American people have lost sight of the meaning of, and exercise of liberty! The Constitution specifies the steps necessary for the government to revoke a liberty in the 5th amendment. Due process means an action of the courts against an individual for just cause. An example would be weapons disability imposed for the commission of a felony.

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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Before the arguments start, note the word PEOPLE as opposed to soldiers, militias, or other government agencies.

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The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals .... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
-- Albert Gallatin, New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789

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Main Entry: right
Function: noun
Something to which one has a just claim: as a: the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled <voting rights> <his right to decide>

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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,......, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

A. Crowley · #28 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 05:59 PM

Yellowjacket,

When somebody comes for your guns, it won't be due to liberal legislation.

I ain't about to give-up mine for some Congressman, and you wouldn't either.

If Martial Law come's to America, it will be Rightwingers who attempt to collect your weapons.

Yellowjacket · #29 (**permalink**) 02-29-2008, 07:11 PM

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When somebody comes for your guns, it won't be due to liberal legislation.
I ain't about to give-up mine for some Congressman, and you wouldn't either.
If Martial Law come's to America, it will be Rightwingers who attempt to collect your weapons.

Legislated away by a liberal congress or confiscated by a conservative military government, your guns are still outlawed. Sure, you might hold on to them for a while, and I will, but bear in mind, the snitch system is alive and well in America. Use one, or even let anyone find out about them, and you will be paid a visit by your friendly government agents or military. Either way, your time is limited. Better to stop unconstitutional laws from being passed to start, and educate the people about their rights.

1wiseguy · #30 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 11:38 PM

"...so gun control could of because the vt shooter had a background and if a proper or more in depth background search was made then it could have been prevented"

A proper background check was performed. The part of the system that is filled with the bleeding heart liberals failed to do their job by either getting the kid help or getting the kid off the streets. Gun control laws have NEVER prevented crime or violence. So long as people who think and believe like you do and try to blame a product that works perfectly as designed and not deal with the true defect -- the criminal or demented student mind, there will NEVER be an end to this madness. So don't help perpetuate it!