LOL! California is where I live. They do have gun registration laws here, but I'm special. I don't have to register my weapons and I brought them in from another state. How like them apples?

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THAT explains it!!!



Word of warning... I don't play well with others.

The problem with your theory is, that would place my rights and everyone else's rights in the hand of government beaurocrats with a psychology degree. Many of these "doctors" are vehemently anti-gun and would slant their opinions to disarm as many people as possible regardless of actual mental state. Where my rights are concerned, I trust them to NO ONE.

I have been a long-time advocate of gun safety classes as part of every childs school curriculum, starting with basic "don't touch, call an adult" at the kindergarten level, to hands on training to include basic marksmanship at the higher grade level. Take away the "forbidden fruit" concept and a child is less likely to let curiosity lead them to sneaking and mishandling someone's gun, plus many kids will gain a new respect for a firearm's capability if they actually shoot one in a controlled environment.

No, I would rather see lawfully armed teachers and adult students if they so choose, so when a lunatic attempts said crime, someone has the ability and stops him / her instead of becoming a legally disarmed victim. It's no coincidence that these mass shootings always seem to take place in "no-gun" zones. When is the last time a lunatic killed 20 or 30 cops at a police convention?

This argument is dumb. Colleges and Universities should have had better security. I suspect they will beef it up in the future. This kind of crap would not have happened in a High School. With Cops and Metal Detectors everywhere, nowadays, At least at the local high school around here.

Shit is gonna happen regardless of Arbitrary gun control measures taken with a sensationalist, reactionary feeling about recent events. Of which, I am glad noone here is a policy maker. Since everytime someone dies of a gun shot, you would all be the first to enact arbitrary laws, to the point of banning specific makes and models on the basis that certain killers decided to use a remington 12 guage, as opposed to a FNS-p90.

So let it go. We have always had guns. The problem is not guns or gun control. It is stupid people, all around.

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Why is it the responsibility of the college/university/shopping mall etc. to provide for your safety and security? Your personal security should be your responsibility. The ONLY reason they should have to assume any responsibility is if they deny your right to provide for your own safety, such as many have done. Allowing law abiding adults to be armed is the best security.

Guns Save Lives

By John Stossel

It's all too predictable. A day after a gunman killed six people and wounded 18 others at Northern Illinois University, The New York Times criticized the U.S. Interior Department for preparing to rethink its ban on guns in national parks.
The editorial board wants "the 51 senators who like the thought of guns in the parks -- and everywhere else, it seems -- to realize that the innocence of Americans is better protected by carefully controlling guns than it is by arming everyone to the teeth."
As usual, the Times editors seem unaware of how silly their argument is. To them, the choice is between "carefully controlling guns" and "arming everyone to the teeth." But no one favors "arming everyone to the teeth" (whatever that means). Instead, gun advocates favor freedom, choice and self-responsibility. If someone wishes to be prepared to defend himself, he should be free to do so. No one has the right to deprive others of the means of effective self-defense, like a handgun.

As for the first option, "carefully controlling guns," how many shootings at schools or malls will it take before we understand that people who intend to kill are not deterred by gun laws? Last I checked, murder is against the law everywhere. No one intent on murder will be stopped by the prospect of committing a lesser crime like illegal possession of a firearm. The intellectuals and politicians who make pious declarations about controlling guns should explain how their gunless utopia is to be realized.
While they search for -- excuse me -- their magic bullet, innocent people are dying defenseless.
That's because laws that make it difficult or impossible to carry a concealed handgun do deter one group of people: law-abiding citizens who might have used a gun to stop crime. Gun laws are laws against self-defense.
Criminals have the initiative. They choose the time, place and manner of their crimes, and they tend to make choices that maximize their own, not their victims', success. So criminals don't attack people they know are armed, and anyone thinking of committing mass murder is likely to be attracted to a gun-free zone, such as schools and malls.
Government may promise to protect us from criminals, but it cannot deliver on that promise. This was neatly summed up in book title a few years ago: "Dial 911 and Die." If you are the target of a crime, only one other person besides the criminal is sure to be on the scene: you. There is no good substitute for self-responsibility.
How, then, does it make sense to create mandatory gun-free zones, which in reality are free-crime zones?
The usual suspects keep calling for more gun control laws. But this idea that gun control is crime control is just a myth. The National Academy of Sciences reviewed dozens of studies and could not find a single gun regulation that clearly led to reduced violent crime or murder. When Washington, D.C., passed its tough handgun ban years ago, gun violence rose.
The press ignores the fact that often guns save lives.
It's what happened in 2002 at the Appalachian School of Law. Hearing shots, two students went to their cars, got their guns and restrained the shooter until police arrested him.
Likewise, law professor Glenn Reynolds writes, "Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 from his truck and ran to the scene. In (last) February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun".
It's impossible to know exactly how often guns stop criminals. Would-be victims don't usually report crimes that don't happen. But people use guns in self-defense every day. The Cato Institute's Tom Palmer says just showing his gun to muggers once saved his life.
"It equalizes unequals," Palmer told "20/20". "If someone gets into your house, which would you rather have, a handgun or a telephone? You can call the police if you want, and they'll get there, and they'll take a picture of your dead body. But they can't get there in time to save your life. The first line of defense is you."

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Wow Nature, I think this is the first time I've agrred with you, better you aren't so bad after all.

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

That is a potential problem, I agree.
And while mental evals may not be the best, mental background checks are another way to go.

Agreed


I actually agree with that as well.

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It's funny how no one has used fact, logic, or evidence to support any of their arguments besides Naturmomma, that's abnormal.

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Gun control is giving criminals guns and taken guns away from law abiding citizens.

I've got a little logic quiz for ya.

How many vehicular homicides have been prevented by registering the automobile?

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Lulz. Registration of Automobiles and such is just a tax that you have to pay to get permission to drive, or travel.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman