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01-10-2008, 11:33 PM
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No, you don't all of a sudden get to deflect and not argue what you had already made point on in the argument. Bad debating, very poor.
YOUR POINT WAS:
We are not susceptible to tyranny because we own guns and the 2nd Amendment makes it so we have no restrictions, this will be our salvation as compared to other countries that are more susceptible.
It does not matter if the 'other country' is Socialist, Communist, or Democratic Parliamentary process...it does not matter. That is superfluous to the argument and discussion. Argue on the basis of the original point made and what you have said, other than that you are arguing BS and deflecting.
Again, there are other countries who do not have a 'culture of guns' as we do and far fewer people own guns...these countries do just fine and have not been taken over by tyrannical leaders who have 'taken away guns.' Defending the first post this way collapses under the logic of the argument supported by this weak premise. You have to compare apples to apples here and be also talking about the same subject.
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01-10-2008, 11:40 PM
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In the modern world stage the US face it is the biggest player . Other countries benefit like Canada from the fact we US citizens keep and bear arms .
If US citizens gave up their arms , it would not be very long till some traitor like Bush decided he was going to rule the world . And then Canada would fall with the rest.
Countries like Canada can live free non violently precisely because a armed American populace keeps the people who would rule the world in check.
Now at some point they may try to sneak like foxes in the hen house and stop the American people from defending freedom . It is that we have to guard against.
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You and I we think alike (at least on this issue). Amen sister.
Oh, and I also agree with your signature. True Christians don't go in for killing of any kind, save the defense of their family and friends. As Christ would have it, we should avoid violence in any form. But alas we are human, and even more so are the ones who would seek to take advantage of peace loving peoples. In the end, we all fall short of his principles at one time or another. I think that's why he came.
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01-10-2008, 11:40 PM
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Hey, answer the question. Tell me something about Canada, how do they ever handle this tricky tryanny thing?
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Last I checked, the United States was vastly bigger in population, racial, ethnic and religous diversity. Not to mention a greater seperation of income from poor to rich.
We have more industry, more military, more corporate power, a military spread all over the planet for economic reasons...
ANd you want to compare us to Canada?..
Idiotic.
That is like comparing Libertarians to a Communist.
two different to use Statistics and history from one nation to prove a point for another.
keep trying.
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01-10-2008, 11:50 PM
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Well said !
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You and I we think alike (at least on this issue). Amen sister.
Oh, and I also agree with your signature. True Christians don't go in for killing of any kind, save the defense of their family and friends. As Christ would have it, we should avoid violence in any form. But alas we are human, and even more so are the ones who would seek to take advantage of peace loving peoples. In the end, we all fall short of his principles at one time or another. I think that's why he came.
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01-10-2008, 11:52 PM
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46 million residents compared to 300 million is a bit of a stretch statistically to compare.
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Last I checked, the United States was vastly bigger in population, racial, ethnic and religous diversity. Not to mention a greater seperation of income from poor to rich.
We have more industry, more military, more corporate power, a military spread all over the planet for economic reasons...
ANd you want to compare us to Canada?..
Idiotic.
That is like comparing Libertarians to a Communist.
two different to use Statistics and history from one nation to prove a point for another.
keep trying.
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01-10-2008, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by satv365
Last I checked, the United States was vastly bigger in population, racial, ethnic and religous diversity. Not to mention a greater seperation of income from poor to rich.
We have more industry, more military, more corporate power, a military spread all over the planet for economic reasons...
ANd you want to compare us to Canada?..
Idiotic.
That is like comparing Libertarians to a Communist.
two different to use Statistics and history from one nation to prove a point for another.
keep trying.
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Again, nice try at deflecting the argument. The statement was made how WE WILL NOT succumb to tyranny because of our guns and 2nd Amendment. On that basis you argue the point, all that you have said and completely superfluous to the discussion. We have a much bigger % of people who own guns and those people get supported on the basis of the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing to add here, now compare other countries; that is the discussion. GET IT?
Again, why has Canada not had a tyrannical leader take them over?
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01-10-2008, 11:54 PM
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46 million residents compared to 300 million is a bit of a stretch statistically to compare.
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Yeah, I guess if something works in California to fight crime (even though it does not) it must work for all over America...
That is the mentality of the anti-gun lobby.
Thats like me having a headache and you having a stomach ache and Government giving us both pepto bismol.
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01-10-2008, 11:55 PM
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46 million residents compared to 300 million is a bit of a stretch statistically to compare.
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That is completely useless information as to what the discussion is and the point that the original thread tries to make.
Why has Canada not been taken over by a tyrannical leader?
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01-10-2008, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
Again, nice try at deflecting the argument. The statement was made how WE WILL NOT succumb to tyranny because of our guns and 2nd Amendment. On that basis you argue the point, all that you have said and completely superfluous to the discussion. We have a much bigger % of people who own guns and those people get supported on the basis of the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing to add here, now compare other countries; that is the discussion. GET IT?
Again, why has Canada not had a tyrannical leader take them over?
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Why hasn't America?...
That is not the point of the argument.
The point is, the reason behind the 2nd Amendment should we ever need to use that last set of checks and balances.
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
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