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Old 12-25-2007, 03:38 PM
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Gun Control is totally unnecessary, Gun Safety Education should be mandatory.

Gun control is being able to hit your target
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:40 PM
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Gun control is being able to hit your target
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Old 12-25-2007, 05:49 PM
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Default Legalize drugs? Interesting Question ....

Crazy Yankee brings up an interesting point. Just what would happen if all currently illegal drugs were made legal, other than thousands of bureaucrats and agents in the DEA would be out of work?

I suggest that the first thing that would occur is that organized crime would be deprived of a cash flow they presently enjoy. Street gangs would no longer have drugs they could peddle in the "hood" because the drugs would be available at a local store. Murders over territory and gang colors might even decrease. But, would such a measure actually increase the number of addicts because the price would drop and the availability would be more prolific?

Interesting paradox?
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Old 12-25-2007, 06:28 PM
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Crazy Yankee brings up an interesting point. Just what would happen if all currently illegal drugs were made legal, other than thousands of bureaucrats and agents in the DEA would be out of work?

I suggest that the first thing that would occur is that organized crime would be deprived of a cash flow they presently enjoy. Street gangs would no longer have drugs they could peddle in the "hood" because the drugs would be available at a local store. Murders over territory and gang colors might even decrease. But, would such a measure actually increase the number of addicts because the price would drop and the availability would be more prolific?

Interesting paradox?
You mean legalizing drugs would stop drug dealers, and drug addition, like legalizing alcohol stopped moonshiners, and alcoholism?
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No ... it probably wouldn't wipe them out entirely any more than moonshiners have been abolished.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm simply pointing out that Crazy Yankee had posed an interesting question. Solutions to complex problems that have become chronic usually require thinking outside the box within which we are now comfortable.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:47 PM
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Crazy Yankee brings up an interesting point. Just what would happen if all currently illegal drugs were made legal, other than thousands of bureaucrats and agents in the DEA would be out of work?

I suggest that the first thing that would occur is that organized crime would be deprived of a cash flow they presently enjoy. Street gangs would no longer have drugs they could peddle in the "hood" because the drugs would be available at a local store. Murders over territory and gang colors might even decrease. But, would such a measure actually increase the number of addicts because the price would drop and the availability would be more prolific?

Interesting paradox?
In essence your questions & possible scenarios are quite plausible to me.
To ponder further your questions about addictions I would say this, yes in the short term there would invariably be a spike but in time I do think it would taper off & then reduce.
Is there a complete real world example? Yes & no.
In general the Norwegian countries have over the past many years shown by example & upbringing how when there is no resistance to drugs & alcohol their children are far less inclined to do said drugs & alcohol. In Holland it has been a mixed bag. I personally feel the main reason it's murky is because so many of the worlds addicts & those predisposed to it go there because it's a free place or tolerated place in which to do drugs. If & I am only in conjecture but If it were universally played out the same way in all nations as it is in Amsterdam I believe it would fade away & people would be less inclined to indulge in 'hard' drugs.
Also I KNOW addiction MUST be decriminalized & treated as it is, a sickness. That would do much to change how we understand & treat fellow human beings who really are suffering.
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Old 12-27-2007, 09:35 PM
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You mean legalizing drugs would stop drug dealers, and drug addition, like legalizing alcohol stopped moonshiners, and alcoholism?
I do believe moonshining is out of business, and mostly people do not care if people make whiskey in the woods and sell it. Only the IRS does, because they can not tax it...

It's all about taxation from a legal perspective...
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Old 12-27-2007, 10:29 PM
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I do believe moonshining is out of business, and mostly people do not care if people make whiskey in the woods and sell it. Only the IRS does, because they can not tax it...

It's all about taxation from a legal perspective...
Moonshining is far from out of business, and its the ATF thats cares. The IRS doesn't care how you earn your money. Only that you file your returns.
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Old 12-28-2007, 03:58 AM
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In essence your questions & possible scenarios are quite plausible to me.
To ponder further your questions about addictions I would say this, yes in the short term there would invariably be a spike but in time I do think it would taper off & then reduce.
Is there a complete real world example? Yes & no.
In general the Norwegian countries have over the past many years shown by example & upbringing how when there is no resistance to drugs & alcohol their children are far less inclined to do said drugs & alcohol. In Holland it has been a mixed bag. I personally feel the main reason it's murky is because so many of the worlds addicts & those predisposed to it go there because it's a free place or tolerated place in which to do drugs. If & I am only in conjecture but If it were universally played out the same way in all nations as it is in Amsterdam I believe it would fade away & people would be less inclined to indulge in 'hard' drugs.
Also I KNOW addiction MUST be decriminalized & treated as it is, a sickness. That would do much to change how we understand & treat fellow human beings who really are suffering.
I think once you make drugs/guns/alchol or whatever illegal, then it becomes like a forbidden fruit, which then opens mans natural desire to rebel.
In some states in Australia were it has be decrimialized, there is less drug related crimes, and usage. This allows the police to concentrate on real crimes per say.
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