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02-27-2007, 08:23 AM
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Bush Crawford House is Super Green
http://edc.uoregon.edu/node/572
Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream-colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.”
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02-27-2007, 08:29 AM
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Wow, does that mean you hate Bush now?
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02-27-2007, 08:44 AM
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Gee.. Al Gore is telling everyone else they need to "go green" while his home is a mess and he's burning up the planet running around receiving awards for all his talk; but President Bush is once again taking the lead and actually walking the walk by doing all the things Gore just talks about.
So what's new?
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02-27-2007, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
http://edc.uoregon.edu/node/572
Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream-colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.”
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He may be a virtual prisoner there whether or not we get to impeach him. He knows it and has planned for it more than likely.
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02-27-2007, 10:36 AM
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02-27-2007, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
http://edc.uoregon.edu/node/572
Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream-colored center that most people want. “They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it,” Heymann says. “So we bought all this throwaway stone. It’s fabulous. It’s got great color and it is relatively inexpensive.”
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Actually that's great!! I'm all for Bush for doing that. I find it somewhat sad though that he would rather push for the rest of the world to suck at the teet of fossil fuels.
Also too bad Gore's home is a hypocrite but that's truly American. The two of them, Two side of the same core philosophy, hypocrisy. Isn't Amurica Great! 
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02-27-2007, 11:53 AM
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Actually that's great!! I'm all for Bush for doing that. I find it somewhat sad though that he would rather push for the rest of the world to suck at the teet of fossil fuels.
Also too bad Gore's home is a hypocrite but that's truly American. The two of them, Two side of the same core philosophy, hypocrisy. Isn't Amurica Great! 
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Crow, is your house green friendly? I am willing to bet that you are just like the rest of us, we try to conserve but the finances are such that we can only do so much. Our leaders should they be held to a higher standard? I think that once they enter public life they are held higher regardless.
As to us getting away from oil, I am all in favor of that. We grow plenty of corn to make this happen. I have written my elected officals to include the President to tell them we should go in this way.
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02-27-2007, 12:40 PM
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Crow, is your house green friendly? I am willing to bet that you are just like the rest of us, we try to conserve but the finances are such that we can only do so much. Our leaders should they be held to a higher standard? I think that once they enter public life they are held higher regardless.
As to us getting away from oil, I am all in favor of that. We grow plenty of corn to make this happen. I have written my elected officals to include the President to tell them we should go in this way.
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Well the perfect super 100% no. But I minimize the amount of energy we use in the house, turn lights off, use only one or two lights in the house. Unplug all appliances that I don't regularly use because they draw energy when not in use. Keep the heat low 68. Use only energy efficient bulbs. Seal the windows in Winter, Minimize the use of AC in summer. Flush the toilet only when there are uhh logs.
I've been doing that for years. Ride my motorcycle as much as possible because it gets great gas mileage & is fun to ride. Could not afford a prius but have the second best a 2006 Corolla. It gets great gas mileage.
So no not 100% but I've made efforts for years. Process is a big part of it. It may not be the 100% perfect but every little bit helps. What I find annoying is people who hide behind it's too expensive so I won't do anything. That's just laziness.
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02-27-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth
He may be a virtual prisoner there whether or not we get to impeach him. He knows it and has planned for it more than likely.
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What's that saying, damned if you do.................oh well, I'll think of it later. 
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02-27-2007, 12:53 PM
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I built my house in 1998 and wish I had built it to be more energy effiecient. I do have some solar abilities and this winter have kept heat at 63 degrees and limit fireplace usage. I have an old SUV that I only use if transporting a large group of kids up the ski mountain and need the space and safety of 4 wheel drive. I share an energy effiecient tiny Honda with my son for other in city errands or I walk or ride my bike.
I think most leaders have houses and carbon footprints larger than the average citizen. For example I would never cririsize all the private plane travel and George, Laura and the twins. They are in a position of their leadership requiring enormous amount of travel and security. Bush requested we all reduce our energy usage but just as the White house is used for business/meetings and Bush and family use private jets almost daily this is required for him to do his job. Gores house serves as not only a home but meetings/education and his travel is by public transportation and the investment in energy to get out his message is an investment in change that will help all of us regardless of whether you believe in the science of global warming.
Al Gore has devoted much of his personal savings and life to comabting global warming. His home is used for meetings/ retreats and he exchanges carbon points. He does not travel by personal jet. I could compare his usage to mine but my job does not require public speaking nor do I use my home for large scale meetings.
Gores message has been to cut back as much as you can and exploring methods of renewable energy. His public information has enormously impacted America and our energy usage and that is good for America regardless of your belief in science.
Why not contrast and compare energy usage between all the leaders in our country and their travel/job/living energy uses? Really I hardly think comparing them to the average citizen is relevant. They are not going down to their local business to work 8 hours. Their positions/meetings etc require much more to accomplish their messages regardless if their name is Gore/Bush/Clinton/McCain/Guliani/Obama/Edwards/Romney. All of these men have publicly stated america needs to cutback on energy usage however their positions are just a little different than ordinary citizens. Al of these men state America must cut back on energy and that we are facing a crisis yet how can they cut their consumption back to what you and I would use and perform their job?
Here is an interesting piece on some of those charges:
Sunday, August 20, 2006
Gore Cracks the Conservative's Lies
The Conservative blogoshpere continues to rampantly spread the distorted and misleading lies of Peter Schweizer and his USA Today editorial Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe. In that piece, Mr. Schweizer, an employee of the ExxonMobil funded Hoover Institution, attempts to divert attention away from global warming and discredit Al Gore through a poorly crafted series of lies:
Lie #1: "Gore receives $20,000 a year in royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his property."
Gore receives no royalties from this mine, which was shut down in 2003. A correction has already run in the USA Today.
Lie #2: "So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock."
Al Gore has never owned stock in Occidental. However, his late father did, all of which was sold nearly 6 years ago. His mother also had a small number of shares which were also disposed by the trustee of her estate. Mr. Gore is not the trustee.
Lie #3: "Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist."
Al Gore has signed up for every green power option made available by his utility suppliers and had already begun adding photovoltaic solar panels to his home before Schweizer's baseless attack.
Lie #4: "And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)"
False again. The Gore's achieve their personal offsets independently through their own means, while the makers of An Inconvenient Truth provide leadership in neutralizing the carbon impact of the film.
In addition to these lies, the article utterly ignores the front line leadership demonstrated by both Mr. Gore and his business partners. An Inconvenient Truth, in both its film and book format, are the world's first carbon neutral projects in their respective genres. Gore's independent media company Current TV is committed to going carbon neutral, and the Gore co-founded Generation Investment Management offsets the carbon impact of their business operations and the travel and domestic emissions of all employees.
If there was ever a leader in climate and environmental issues it is Al Gore. Schweizer's piece, and the unquestioning support of it by conservative pundits, nakedly demonstrates their shared agenda - to mislead the public about global warming and vandalize the reputation of anyone who demonstrates the courage and integrity to speak the truth about climate change. This time they won't succeed.
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