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02-18-2007, 08:58 PM
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The real purpose of global warming?
Note: I consider global warming to be a political issue, not a scientific one.
Would any of these things help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and thus work towards reversing global warming?
1. Adoption of organic farming on a commercial scale by having the government at all levels mandate that a certain percentage of the foodstuffs and fiber purchased for the military, prisons and school lunch programs be produced without using petroleum-based fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, feed additives etcetera.
2. Widespread use of biodiesel fuel in government and commercial vehicles.
3. Eliminating urban sprawl and the corporate power that fosters it in order to reduce the need for and use of personal automobiles: New Urbanism, reduce business hours and maybe implement Blue Laws so large stores like Super Wal-Mart and Home Depot won’t be as profitable as they can be operating 24-7.
4. Adoption of waste disposal technologies that generate biogas/biomethane so the carbon that biomass and organic waste materials would put into the air anyway as they decay could be cycled through energy extraction processes.
5. Nationwide semi-public mass transportation system using trains and buses to provide transportation between and within urban centers that have populations of at least 5,000 people.
If any of these things would work to reverse global warming, why is it I have never encountered any environmentalist on any internet forum that is willing to accept them when they learn that I do not believe that global warming is a bona fide scientific fact?
I have a bachelor’s degree in biology from Emory University, so I know something about the scientific method. I am aware that for any hypothesis to be scientifically valid it must be tested through a controlled experiment. Since we do not have a duplicate of the earth to serve as a control group in an experiment, we cannot test the hypothesis that global warming is caused by manmade greenhouse gases. We don’t have an earth that is without manmade greenhouse gases, so we have no way of knowing what effect manmade greenhouse gases have on the earth we do have.
Furthermore, I am not convinced that the earth is truly getting any warmer as a whole. It is true that the air over urban centers has gotten warmer over the past 20 years or so, but there is some indication that the air over non-urban centers has shown no change in temperature over the past 50 years or so. Any increase in temperature measurements likely is due to the fact over the past 40, and especially the past 20, years, land-based weather monitoring stations have been overtaken by urban sprawl. Since urban surfaces (roads, buildings, parking lots) trap more heat than woodland or farmland or water does, it is only natural that recorded temperatures have gone up. But, since this stored heat has not traveled to non-urban areas, it does not add up to global warming.
I support the 5 options I have outlined here, but I do so to achieve goals other than combating global warming. I support these things in order to promote national security by reducing our dependence on oil imports from hostile countries, save money by harnessing nature to do what we now have petroleum and manmade chemicals do, promote local economic self-reliance and improve societal cohesion by promoting neighborhoods and communities rather than suburbs. But, because I don’t accept the left’s global warming dogma, I get nothing but hostility from left-leaning environmentalists. This tells me that the true goal of left-leaning environmentalists is not the saving of the environment, but rather the destruction of America through the worshipping of nature.
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02-18-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flaja
Note: I consider global warming to be a political issue, not a scientific one.
Would any of these things help reduce greenhouse gas emissions and thus work towards reversing global warming?
1. Adoption of organic farming on a commercial scale by having the government at all levels mandate that a certain percentage of the foodstuffs and fiber purchased for the military, prisons and school lunch programs be produced without using petroleum-based fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, feed additives etcetera.
2. Widespread use of biodiesel fuel in government and commercial vehicles.
3. Eliminating urban sprawl and the corporate power that fosters it in order to reduce the need for and use of personal automobiles: New Urbanism, reduce business hours and maybe implement Blue Laws so large stores like Super Wal-Mart and Home Depot won’t be as profitable as they can be operating 24-7.
4. Adoption of waste disposal technologies that generate biogas/biomethane so the carbon that biomass and organic waste materials would put into the air anyway as they decay could be cycled through energy extraction processes.
5. Nationwide semi-public mass transportation system using trains and buses to provide transportation between and within urban centers that have populations of at least 5,000 people.
If any of these things would work to reverse global warming, why is it I have never encountered any environmentalist on any internet forum that is willing to accept them when they learn that I do not believe that global warming is a bona fide scientific fact?
I have a bachelor’s degree in biology from Emory University, so I know something about the scientific method. I am aware that for any hypothesis to be scientifically valid it must be tested through a controlled experiment. Since we do not have a duplicate of the earth to serve as a control group in an experiment, we cannot test the hypothesis that global warming is caused by manmade greenhouse gases. We don’t have an earth that is without manmade greenhouse gases, so we have no way of knowing what effect manmade greenhouse gases have on the earth we do have.
Furthermore, I am not convinced that the earth is truly getting any warmer as a whole. It is true that the air over urban centers has gotten warmer over the past 20 years or so, but there is some indication that the air over non-urban centers has shown no change in temperature over the past 50 years or so. Any increase in temperature measurements likely is due to the fact over the past 40, and especially the past 20, years, land-based weather monitoring stations have been overtaken by urban sprawl. Since urban surfaces (roads, buildings, parking lots) trap more heat than woodland or farmland or water does, it is only natural that recorded temperatures have gone up. But, since this stored heat has not traveled to non-urban areas, it does not add up to global warming.
I support the 5 options I have outlined here, but I do so to achieve goals other than combating global warming. I support these things in order to promote national security by reducing our dependence on oil imports from hostile countries, save money by harnessing nature to do what we now have petroleum and manmade chemicals do, promote local economic self-reliance and improve societal cohesion by promoting neighborhoods and communities rather than suburbs. But, because I don’t accept the left’s global warming dogma, I get nothing but hostility from left-leaning environmentalists. This tells me that the true goal of left-leaning environmentalists is not the saving of the environment, but rather the destruction of America through the worshipping of nature.
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Well, I don't agree with you about the subject of global warming but I do TOTALLY accept the idea of national security and we need to stop using oil products. So, you won't get and argument from me...where are the E-85 stations in the mid-south(?)...I am waiting. Faster we have these the faster we are out of the ME. For those who are concerned about GW or NS it is a win/win.
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02-19-2007, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
Well, I don't agree with you about the subject of global warming but I do TOTALLY accept the idea of national security and we need to stop using oil products. So, you won't get and argument from me...where are the E-85 stations in the mid-south(?)...I am waiting. Faster we have these the faster we are out of the ME. For those who are concerned about GW or NS it is a win/win.
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E-85? Ethanol?
If you make ethanol out of corn you will use more energy in the fermentation process than the resulting ethanol will contain. You will have a net useable energy loss if you cannot use solar, wind or some other renewable energy source to heat the corn to turn it into alcohol. There are other crops/biomass that need less energy to be converted to ethanol, but these things generally do not grow in Iowa.
BTW: I don’t really support the idea of finding a cheap/sustainable auto fuel because this will simply perpetuate our dependence on the personal automobile- which in turn will perpetuate urban sprawl.
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02-19-2007, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by flaja
E-85? Ethanol?
If you make ethanol out of corn you will use more energy in the fermentation process than the resulting ethanol will contain. You will have a net useable energy loss if you cannot use solar, wind or some other renewable energy source to heat the corn to turn it into alcohol. There are other crops/biomass that need less energy to be converted to ethanol, but these things generally do not grow in Iowa.
BTW: I don’t really support the idea of finding a cheap/sustainable auto fuel because this will simply perpetuate our dependence on the personal automobile- which in turn will perpetuate urban sprawl.
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YEAH SUBSIDIZED CORN.....environMENTAL wackasses.....MANDATED WASTE OF RESOURCE, by the DemonCrats.....IF YOU ENLIST FAGGOTS AND THE GODLESS TO WIN AGAINST GODLY MEN>>>>>GUESS WHAT GOD THINKS
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02-19-2007, 08:40 AM
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President Bush will be in N.C. at an ethanol plant tomorrow according to this mornings TV news.
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02-19-2007, 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flaja
E-85? Ethanol?
If you make ethanol out of corn you will use more energy in the fermentation process than the resulting ethanol will contain. You will have a net useable energy loss if you cannot use solar, wind or some other renewable energy source to heat the corn to turn it into alcohol. There are other crops/biomass that need less energy to be converted to ethanol, but these things generally do not grow in Iowa.
BTW: I don’t really support the idea of finding a cheap/sustainable auto fuel because this will simply perpetuate our dependence on the personal automobile- which in turn will perpetuate urban sprawl.
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Global warming has become a political issue, but global warming/global dimming, solar fluctuations are all physical processes that have been measured and monitored by the scientific community. Whether the same observed trends will continue, and for how long, with what results, is somewhat unclear. It is not a purely political debate, though there is that aspect as well.
There are many problems with the continued reliance on fossil fuels as you note. Some are political consequences, some are physical degradation of the evironment we all share, whether left or right.
As for global warming, I don't KNOW that humans are affecting the balance of the global climate, but I do KNOW that continuing to pollute the air/ground/water with petrochemicals and their byproducts is a bad idea, even if global warming is proven not to be happening.
Being this is the only place we know of that supports life, isn't a little caution warranted? Humans can recreate an economy, we can not recreate the world.
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02-19-2007, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lookagain
YEAH SUBSIDIZED CORN.....environMENTAL wackasses.....MANDATED WASTE OF RESOURCE, by the DemonCrats.....IF YOU ENLIST FAGGOTS AND THE GODLESS TO WIN AGAINST GODLY MEN>>>>>GUESS WHAT GOD THINKS
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I always liked what Napoléon said when asked who he thought God favored in a war. His reply, "The side with the most artillery." Very astute answer.
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02-19-2007, 01:31 PM
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Historically - NC should have a few families that can brew up some flammable corn squeezings!
figures that it would be legal now 
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02-19-2007, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
Global warming has become a political issue, but global warming/global dimming, solar fluctuations are all physical processes that have been measured and monitored by the scientific community. Whether the same observed trends will continue, and for how long, with what results, is somewhat unclear. It is not a purely political debate, though there is that aspect as well.
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And in the absence of experimentation, the reason why these fluctuations exist will be even less certain. And until we know why the fluctuations occur it would be foolish to dream up plans like Kyoto to deal with them. We could very well wreck our economy and still not solve any of our environmental “problems”.
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02-19-2007, 03:31 PM
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ah thinks goble warning is awl a fake. ah thinque hits jist to reck hour ekonome
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