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05-27-2008, 08:23 AM
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A policy guide.
We must remember our mantra, global warming exists, humans cause it, and without Al Gore, all would be lost.
Dissenters must be met with scorn and derision, and the views of Gore and our friends must be accepted without question by the public, the media, and politicians. We know Political consensus is a precursor to public action. Our politicians and supportive industries know this, and we know we cannot afford to tolerate dissent. Dissent weakens our message of doom without which the public fear cannot be raised. The new Global warming theology, aims to give people doubt and scare them about the future. Remember confusion, doubt and fear are our essential weapons. It may not be the best science, but it is good politics.
There is no justified skepticism about the science behind global warming. Scientists who claim an over-reliance on complex computer modeling that reacts wildly to incremental change in assumptions must be scorned. Climatologists, who claim that the processes of climate change are not sufficiently understood to support predictions about the climate with certainty, must be mocked. Scientists, who say that the necessary empirical data has not yet been collected, must be chided. Climatologists and scientists, who believe that our climate-models are not yet precise enough, must be silenced, and engineers who think our computers don’t have adequate processing power to run the extraordinarily complex models that climate science requires, must be defunded.
We know that scientific inquiry will be led by the researcher and the availability of funding. This is well-known. We must make sure funding is available for pro-global warming researchers, while cutting off funding for any who are not on board. There must be grants for producing our data and none for contemplation.
We cannot allow debate, now that we have our "consensus." However informed the critical voices are, they must be met with disdain. We must squelch scientific truth seeking. It's all for a good cause.
It's not merely a good cause just for supporters of global warming with projects and agendas to profit from it. The adoption of our theories also provides a convenient means to grow our movement. We could make new and ever expanding global bureaucracies at will. We can make climate change a pretext for massive new central-planning structures and policy changes we could not have otherwise. We will be able to subordinate the economic freedom of all the industrialized countries to a War on Carbon. It will be start of a new era of wealth redistribution like we have only dreamed of.
Do not worry that climate change has been occurring for 4 billion years, or that it will continue. The slightest evidence to suggest that human activity has anything to do with climate change is all we need. We can move forward if we pretend to be sure. Climate science is far from simple; but we cannot let our agenda be held back by scientific inquiry and debate.
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05-27-2008, 11:45 AM
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But…, but…, but I was told it was a good scientific practice to question everything. To keep on testing and questioning, and to do it again and again and again.
For a long time it was consensus that man would never fly. The Wright brothers questioned this and continued to research. Some ulcers were treated by lifestyle adjustments, quit drinking, no spicy foods, and were found through continued research to be bacterial in origin: too late for many.
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05-27-2008, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BO Nafide
Some ulcers were treated by lifestyle adjustments, quit drinking, no spicy foods, and were found through continued research to be bacterial in origin: too late for many.
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Most were treated by surgery, not a very pleasant thing to experience.
The Australian that proposed a bacterial origin was shunned for a decade. Scientists dismissed him out of hand without even allowing any experiments. The man eventually had to both infect himself and then cure himself in order to get attention, and the surgeries continued.
Not science's proudest moment. Though the guy did eventually get his well deserved Nobel.
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05-27-2008, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Most were treated by surgery, not a very pleasant thing to experience.
The Australian that proposed a bacterial origin was shunned for a decade. Scientists dismissed him out of hand without even allowing any experiments. The man eventually had to both infect himself and then cure himself in order to get attention, and the surgeries continued.
Not science's proudest moment. Though the guy did eventually get his well deserved Nobel.
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That's the point, science is never finished. Continued research and debate to expand our knowlage.
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05-27-2008, 10:23 PM
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Face it, conservatives are too interested in taking government money to line their pockets, like Bush and Delay and numerous other Republicans have done, so they take all the money they get for doing scientific research and pocket it instead of proving Al Gore wrong.
Of course, to prove Al Gore wrong, it would be necessary to actually do research, which doesn't make you rich. While Al Gore is rich, he isn't a scientist, and all the scientists he cites aren't rich. Clearly Republicans just won't do scientific research because it is hard and you don't get rich.
But the real kicker is that no Republican can convince anyone like Al Gore, one of the more inarticular speakers. One can find many scientists, and science and technology writers, who are much better versed in the facts than Al Gore. It is the work of these people that Al Gore drew on and then, to be honest, turned into something of a hash of a presentation. Yet even with Al Gore screwing it up, Al Gore is just so much more convincing any any Republican or conservative. In fact, Al Gore is so much more skilled in his arguments that he baffled McCain and lots of conservatives, and forced them to promote government programs to fight global warming.
Of course, conservatives really screw up when they say that the air and water today are cleaner than ever, so there is no reason for government action on climate change. And then in the next breath, they condemn the EPA and all the environmental regulations that were passed back in the 60s and 70s.
Get a clue. You must either claim that there is no such thing as the EPA and the EPA has not been a burden on industry for the past three to four decades. Or you need to claim that the air and water are much dirtier and people are dying all the time because of the EPA mandating that industry pollute the air, so we need to go back the natural way of things, when rivers naturally caught on fire several times a year.
On this issue more than any other, conservatives and Republicans have demonstrated that they are completely incompetitent in first making up facts to suit their ideology, and then totally unable to communicate their version of the facts convincingly.
Of course, you could blame all those common people who just don't understand what the conservative and Republican elites can only comprehend.
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06-06-2008, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mulp
Face it, conservatives are too interested in taking government money to line their pockets, like Bush and Delay and numerous other Republicans have done, so they take all the money they get for doing scientific research and pocket it instead of proving Al Gore wrong.
Of course, to prove Al Gore wrong, it would be necessary to actually do research, which doesn't make you rich. While Al Gore is rich, he isn't a scientist, and all the scientists he cites aren't rich. Clearly Republicans just won't do scientific research because it is hard and you don't get rich.
But the real kicker is that no Republican can convince anyone like Al Gore, one of the more inarticular speakers. One can find many scientists, and science and technology writers, who are much better versed in the facts than Al Gore. It is the work of these people that Al Gore drew on and then, to be honest, turned into something of a hash of a presentation. Yet even with Al Gore screwing it up, Al Gore is just so much more convincing any any Republican or conservative. In fact, Al Gore is so much more skilled in his arguments that he baffled McCain and lots of conservatives, and forced them to promote government programs to fight global warming.
Of course, conservatives really screw up when they say that the air and water today are cleaner than ever, so there is no reason for government action on climate change. And then in the next breath, they condemn the EPA and all the environmental regulations that were passed back in the 60s and 70s.
Get a clue. You must either claim that there is no such thing as the EPA and the EPA has not been a burden on industry for the past three to four decades. Or you need to claim that the air and water are much dirtier and people are dying all the time because of the EPA mandating that industry pollute the air, so we need to go back the natural way of things, when rivers naturally caught on fire several times a year.
On this issue more than any other, conservatives and Republicans have demonstrated that they are completely incompetitent in first making up facts to suit their ideology, and then totally unable to communicate their version of the facts convincingly.
Of course, you could blame all those common people who just don't understand what the conservative and Republican elites can only comprehend.
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Just who is going to line their pockets? Take a look at what the congress is pushing now!
Do you remember the oil companies CEOs in front of congress?
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06-15-2008, 05:32 AM
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Another fucking troll. Take your rip offs somewhere else , AWE people are to smart for you turdhead. 
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06-15-2008, 07:08 AM
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Global warming is nothing more than melding the minds of the sheep into accepting a global government.
Anything Global..."fill in the blank"
World Trade Organization as well.
If everyone turns off their TV & Radio Global warming will cease to exists.
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06-15-2008, 07:12 AM
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Buy air conditioners, problem solved
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