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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
Sam; if you're a scientist you know that the scientific community changes it's mind constantly .
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I have a science degree , but do not consider myself a scientist. I used it only to enter the healthcare field, although I do understand scientific method and the importance of repeated peer review studies for years to come to a theory. The science community is not one person OB who changes their mind like a little girl. It is a community of thousands (most reputable,some not so reputable) and for any hypothesis to become a theory it takes years and thousands of studies that compare both natural impacts to global temperatures to man made causes.
You used a few examples of recommendations of nutrition changing as proof that all scientific theories will always be wrong. Your examples were not scientific theories, only hypothesis about nutrition. That comparison was illogical. Even posters who do not believe that humans cause CC would not sound so silly. A simple study on something like a nutritional recommendation is far different than a scientific theory developed over years and based on peer reviewed studies and scientific method.
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
If you think I care that you are being condescending, guess again, I don't. I know the fallacy of globaloney.
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Then why are you using fallacies for your position? You could defend an opposing position on CC and I would listen, but you have not used any logic in doing so. I think it is more condescending that most posters just respond with one liners or skim what you write and not even make a serious response to you. I was trying to take you seriously and let you explain with evidence why the IPCC consensus is wrong, how much Gore has profited from his CC work and what he has done that is as evil as Westboro inbreds to inspire hatred from you.
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I know you say you travel abroad, but in Oregon, where my sister lives, there's a political agenda. They are liberals, but they also grow tire of it. Simple things, use paper bags, don't use paper bags it cost just as much to transport them. So what's worse the emissions or the plastics? .
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So because your sister is a liberal and lives in Oregon and is frustrated that a store has tried to find the best solution and possibly researched and changed their minds about their grocery bags--that is your proof this is a political agenda and a scientific theory is wrong?
There is no doubt in my mind that there will be someone who will profit unfairly off of every problem facing humanity including environmental problems--that does not conclude those problems are not in existence. People will profit fraudulently off of terrorism, medical issues, prevention of crime...do we throw our hands in the air and say lets give up and not treat disease or have a military or police force? Of course not--Americans are far more intelligent than that. We know that although a few always try to scam us we will still try to solve problems facing humanity..terror, crime, disease and protecting for our environment is also important to protect human health. Not at the expense of everything else, but we are smart and innovative enough to work on more then one problem and contend with those who might scam us.
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
BTW: nice distraction with the Alex Jones retort. What was that biased scientific study/agency you used to quote from?.
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Well on this thread I asked you to defend your position so I used no report--I do not need a report to understand the difference between scientific hypothesis,theories and laws--on all the CC threads I used NASA graphs, IPCC scientists studies, and verified data. I explain scientific laws that pertain to the theory and have always said that the consensus and the studies show it is very likely and in the most remote possibility they are wrong we still need to move to alternative fuels and protect our air and water for many reasons including economic, security and geo-political. Badmutha and PR are skeptics ,yet make solid arguments and are logical.
You were the one who used a source that was a layman who used no science and misquoted Gore in his title....he was so lame that Alex Jones featured him. That was your distraction --not mine. Sean Hannity has him on as a guest if you like him so much.
OB I take positions on different topics . If I take a strong stand I am willing to support my position. It is okay that you do not like to do this , but this is a debate forum . Your expressed emotion of hate and comparisons to Westboro Baptist that caught my attention and I thought you might want to discuss it. Look at my first response to you--you were the one who became flippant . If you tried to discuss war veterans issues with me and I flipped you off with nothing more than they are just Iraqbaloney stealing my tax dolars--that would be condescending and make me look stupid...yet that is how you respond to others.
I am challenged almost everytime I post on a topic to defend my position.
Most never even respond to you unless it is with a joke. I thought from your emotional tone you might want to defend your position. I can see I was wrong and clearly just unscientific opinion pieces and bumper sticker phrases is your style then that is okay with me....you refute yourself with that.
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
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So, what makes you regard Jeff Poor over thousands of scientists from the IPCC ,WMO and NASA? He is a media right hack used by Alex Jones, Sean Hannity and WND and MRG? yet, you trust him over all others because he writes tells you want to hear and uses 15 line catch phrases that you like.
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I have heard of it. But I enjoy saying GLOBALONEY too much.  |
I am sure you do, but it makes you look foolish. Those who are skeptical and able to use logic do not look foolish if they are inquisitive and questioning and logical.
Invading iraq was proven to be a scam--do you like to refer to those who have suffered the consequences as Iraqbaloney?
Anyway, I will let you have the last word here and leave you to your balonies.
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