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06-09-2008, 10:54 PM
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If you knew why they have declined, all the hundreds of times they have declined, you would have immediately realized that mosquito populations has little to do with malaria or the other diseases spread by mosquitos.
The virtual elimination of malaria in India circa 1950 and the resurgence of malaria in India in the 1950s and 60s and 70s and 80s would have made it clear to you that economic theories are wrong when it comes to dealing with diseases like malaria.
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I was responding to Sam's point when he said, "Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Expansion of these regions in addition to the factors listed in the article will contribute to increased incidence of malaria."
But he is wrong incidences of malaria of Malaria have decrease on increased over the last 100 years correct?
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06-10-2008, 06:35 PM
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I was responding to Sam's point when he said, "Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Expansion of these regions in addition to the factors listed in the article will contribute to increased incidence of malaria."
But he is wrong incidences of malaria of Malaria have decrease on increased over the last 100 years correct?
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Malaria is presently on the increase, and more cases exist today than a century ago, although that is a result of the much larger population. Or maybe the only thing that has changed is the attention paid to it. But the increase in displaced people is certainly placing more people at risk. But war is one of the common benefits, or costs, of capitalism without a rule of law that treats indigenous people as the true owners of property.
Malaria isn't a problem in the US because malaria isn't a problem in the US.
However, if malaria were to infect a significant population in the US, say among the poor in some rural gulf state, even the rich who spend time outside would be at risk of getting it. The best protection the billionaire outdoors man has with today's options is to treat those poor with malaria and do everything to prevent them from being bitten by mosquitoes, not by killing all the mosquitoes, but by providing the poor with treatment, screens on their housing, bed nets, insect repellents, periodic treatment of their work and housing with insecticides.
Trying to kill all the mosquitoes is a futile process and at best the populations in a local area can be controlled. Of course, that can have negative impacts on agriculture in the short term, killing off the bugs that go after bugs that go after the food crops that we value, and the bugs that go after us, and in the long term, produce variants of bugs that are resistant to the insecticides.
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06-11-2008, 11:42 AM
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Malaria is presently on the increase, and more cases exist today than a century ago, although that is a result of the much larger population. Or maybe the only thing that has changed is the attention paid to it. But the increase in displaced people is certainly placing more people at risk. But war is one of the common benefits, or costs, of capitalism without a rule of law that treats indigenous people as the true owners of property.
Malaria isn't a problem in the US because malaria isn't a problem in the US.
However, if malaria were to infect a significant population in the US, say among the poor in some rural gulf state, even the rich who spend time outside would be at risk of getting it. The best protection the billionaire outdoors man has with today's options is to treat those poor with malaria and do everything to prevent them from being bitten by mosquitoes, not by killing all the mosquitoes, but by providing the poor with treatment, screens on their housing, bed nets, insect repellents, periodic treatment of their work and housing with insecticides.
Trying to kill all the mosquitoes is a futile process and at best the populations in a local area can be controlled. Of course, that can have negative impacts on agriculture in the short term, killing off the bugs that go after bugs that go after the food crops that we value, and the bugs that go after us, and in the long term, produce variants of bugs that are resistant to the insecticides.
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How profound, Malaria is not a problem in the US because the US is a wealthy country and this seems to be consistent across the globe, the poorer you are the bigger problem Malaria is. Now the only examples I know of where people have managed to escape this grueling poverty and mass concentrations of wealth are in countries that have generally free markets and free trade.
Now staying on topic, where is the correlation between malaria and global warming? There isn’t any. In fact, if you look at history you can find many examples of insect-related epidemics during periods of global cooling, Bubonic plague is one example so lower temperatures are not necessarily desirable ether.
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06-11-2008, 12:05 PM
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Now staying on topic, where is the correlation between malaria and global warming? There isn’t any. In fact, if you look at history you can find many examples of insect-related epidemics during periods of global cooling, Bubonic plague is one example so lower temperatures are not necessarily desirable ether.
No stagnant water = no mosquito larvae = no flying mosquitoes.
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06-12-2008, 01:10 AM
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Now staying on topic, where is the correlation between malaria and global warming? There isn’t any. In fact, if you look at history you can find many examples of insect-related epidemics during periods of global cooling, Bubonic plague is one example so lower temperatures are not necessarily desirable ether.
No stagnant water = no mosquito larvae = no flying mosquitoes.
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But stagnant water occurs after every rain, say the leaf that is cupped to hold a few drops of water.
But you are correct; global warming is making malaria far less likely in the west be producing long peroids of drought.
But in the midwest, all the heavy rains which a flooding towns and making people homeless may well make those areas where malaria can spread.
While malaria in humans is spread from human to human, isn't either a bacteria or virus, another class of disease is a virus that is spread by mosquitos from bird to human in many cases, others are spread from human to human by mosquitoes. In NH we are warned about Triple E and West Nile, both spread by mosquitoes from birds. Related to the latter are Yellow Fever and Dengue fever. Dengue is a problem in the US in the territory of Puerto Rico, and in places Americas like to go, like Brazil and Monterey, Mexico - not exactly impoverished areas. Yellow Fever caused 5000 death in Memphis near the end of the 19th century.
And the mortgage collapse has certainly created lots of pools of stagnant water. I suppose you can call those neighboods of foreclosed houses with many having pools impoverished, but that isn't the typical use of the term.
All of these mosquito spread diseases have two other things in common, no prevention and no treatment.
In most of the US, the population of infected mosquitoes is reduced to near zero in the fall, and it takes a while for the new disease free mosquitoes in the spring to pick up the disease. This isn't the case in places where these diseases are a public health problem with some regularity. While some argue global warming will improve the climate of much of the US by eliminating winter, that brings with it the increased risk of these diseases. Unless the warmer climate is also drier and the midwest turns to desert or to a new dust bowl.
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06-12-2008, 01:36 PM
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Dengue is a problem in the US in the territory of Puerto Rico, and in places Americas like to go, like Brazil and Monterey, Mexico - not exactly impoverished areas.
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There's no poverty in Mexico and Brazil?
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Yellow Fever caused 5000 death in Memphis near the end of the 19th century.
And the mortgage collapse has certainly created lots of pools of stagnant water. I suppose you can call those neighboods of foreclosed houses with many having pools impoverished, but that isn't the typical use of the term.
All of these mosquito spread diseases have two other things in common, no prevention and no treatment.
In most of the US, the population of infected mosquitoes is reduced to near zero in the fall, and it takes a while for the new disease free mosquitoes in the spring to pick up the disease. This isn't the case in places where these diseases are a public health problem with some regularity. While some argue global warming will improve the climate of much of the US by eliminating winter, that brings with it the increased risk of these diseases. Unless the warmer climate is also drier and the midwest turns to desert or to a new dust bowl.
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To what degree global warming will harm or benefit the country remains unsolved. The most important thing we need to remember about global warming is that there is nothing we can do to stop the warming at this time. The most practical approach is to save our capital for investment in the new technologies of the future.
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06-12-2008, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mulp View Post
Yellow Fever caused 5000 death in Memphis near the end of the 19th century.
And the mortgage collapse has certainly created lots of pools of stagnant water. I suppose you can call those neighboods of foreclosed houses with many having pools impoverished, but that isn't the typical use of the term.
All of these mosquito spread diseases have two other things in common, no prevention and no treatment.
In most of the US, the population of infected mosquitoes is reduced to near zero in the fall, and it takes a while for the new disease free mosquitoes in the spring to pick up the disease. This isn't the case in places where these diseases are a public health problem with some regularity. While some argue global warming will improve the climate of much of the US by eliminating winter, that brings with it the increased risk of these diseases. Unless the warmer climate is also drier and the midwest turns to desert or to a new dust bowl.
I recall these environmentalists attacking us suburbanites for having so called "sterile green yards"
These yards we maintain prevent stagnant water from pooling around the foundation of our homes, it keeps humans and pets from being killed by fire ants, snakes, black widows and recluse spiders.
I have seen untreated yards sport ant beds that are 4 ft X 4 ft in area.
All of this prevention is good for Afrika but bad for America?
Environmentalists are America's enemy.
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06-19-2008, 02:39 PM
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What the article is really saying is if you give us the condo development contracts for the whole world we'll eliminate malaria by having the condo association spray everywhere. Makes sense to me. I like the part where they say "yeah, rising temperatures will spread malaria to new places" (in effect admitting they were trying to deny something they already admit).
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