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05-07-2008, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback
ExxonSecrets Factsheet: Paul Reiter
Yet another useless post, quoting a bought and paid for oil company lobbyist
NO ONE HAS YET MET MY CHALLANGE TO POST A SINGLE NON BIAS, NON DISCREDED, OBJECTIVE EXPERT CLAIMING THAT THERE IS NO MADE MADE CONNECTION TO GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE
Not ONE of the flat earth kooks have come up with even ONE....most laughable
HEY KOOKS....KEEP POSTING BULLSHIT, AND I'LL KEEP EXPOSING IT AS BULLSHIT
By the way...there is a sale on tin foil hats at wal-mart
Hurry...supplies are limited
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Originally Posted by coyote
More Global Warming Nonsense
Anyone truly worried about malaria in impoverished countries would do well to focus on improving human living conditions, not the weather, say Paul Reiter, director of the Insects and Infectious Diseases Unit of the Institute Pasteur, Paris, and Roger Bate, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
The globalization of vectors and pathogens is a serious problem, but it is not new, say Reiter and Bate:
- The Yellow Fever mosquito and virus were imported into North America from Africa during the slave trade.
- The dengue virus is distributed throughout the tropics and regularly jumps continents inside air passengers.
- West Nile virus likely arrived in the United States in shipments of wild birds.
The concept of malaria as a "tropical" infection is nonsense, says Rieter and Bate, it is a disease of the poor. Meanwhile, malaria has been increasing at an alarming rate in parts of Africa and elsewhere in the world:
- Scientists ascribe this increase to many factors, including population growth, deforestation, rice cultivation in previously uncultivated upland marshes, clustering of populations around these marshes, and large numbers of people who have fled their homes because of civil strife.
- The evolution of drug-resistant parasites and insecticide-resistant mosquitoes, and the cessation of mosquito-control operations are also factors.
Of course, temperature is a factor in the transmission of mosquito-borne diseases, and future incidence may be affected if the world's climate continues to warm. But throughout history the most critical factors in the spread or eradication of disease has been human behavior and living standards. Poverty has been and remains the world's greatest killer, say Reiter and Bate.
More Global Warming Nonsense - WSJ.com
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Smart's comment and coyotes resourse both have some truth to them. First smart is correct that Paul Reiter is a paid Exxon Mobile spin guru who mentions these diseases are not new as if someone suggested they were.
However the article does not refute global warming or even make a case for it or against it. The title tries to lead one to believe it does--in reality consider the portion in bold and consider this... Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Expansion of these regions in addition to the factors listed in the article will contribute to increased incidence of malaria.
That said-- the physician quoted in the article is correct to directly impact reducing the incidence of malaria requires immediate attention such as prevention and, preventative drugs and reducing the risk of exposure. I worked in a region along the border of Thailand and Burma and most did take the prophy Rx. I chose not to, yet used topical DEET which has some side effects. I did not want to expose myself to the systemic side effects of the prophy Rx. It is not just a disease of poverty, but of being in the geographical regions where you are exposed.
The physician recommendations for short term immediate treatment and prevention will have immediate reductions , however Reiter neglects to address the fact that global temperatures are rising and that it will cause a geographic expansion exposing more people to the disease.
As serious as malaria is--it is secondary to issues of available fresh drinking water if sea levels continue to rise.
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05-07-2008, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
Smart's comment and coyotes resourse both have some truth to them. First smart is correct that Paul Reiter is a paid Exxon Mobile spin guru who mentions these diseases are not new as if someone suggested they were.
However the article does not refute global warming or even make a case for it or against it. The title tries to lead one to believe it does--in reality consider the portion in bold and consider this... Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Expansion of these regions in addition to the factors listed in the article will contribute to increased incidence of malaria.
That said-- the physician quoted in the article is correct to directly impact reducing the incidence of malaria requires immediate attention such as prevention and, preventative drugs and reducing the risk of exposure. I worked in a region along the border of Thailand and Burma and most did take the prophy Rx. I chose not to, yet used topical DEET which has some side effects. I did not want to expose myself to the systemic side effects of the prophy Rx. It is not just a disease of poverty, but of being in the geographical regions where you are exposed.
The physician recommendations for short term immediate treatment and prevention will have immediate reductions , however Reiter neglects to address the fact that global temperatures are rising and that it will cause a geographic expansion exposing more people to the disease.
As serious as malaria is--it is secondary to issues of available fresh drinking water if sea levels continue to rise.
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Potable water sources are under pressure from many factors...
For me it basically comes down to a simple truth. There can't be infinite growth in a finite system...
(argued with Coyote about that some time ago. Lots of comments regarding Malthus initially)
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05-07-2008, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
Potable water sources are under pressure from many factors...
For me it basically comes down to a simple truth. There can't be infinite growth in a finite system...
(argued with Coyote about that some time ago. Lots of comments regarding Malthus initially)
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Water would be a good forum topic--not just in relation to CC--but pollution or shortages etc. if you think we are warring over oil--just wait until the water shortages expand. People are already fighting over water in the US.
Those evil environmentalists have restricted what we can dump in the water in Oregon. Actually , I agree with them so I am joking that I find them evil...
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05-07-2008, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
Potable water sources are under pressure from many factors...
For me it basically comes down to a simple truth. There can't be infinite growth in a finite system...
(argued with Coyote about that some time ago. Lots of comments regarding Malthus initially)
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Was he a mathematician who wrote an Essay on the Principle of Population?
Well..need to sign off but link me the thread on the water debate.
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05-07-2008, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
Was he a mathematician who wrote an Essay on the Principle of Population?
Well..need to sign off but link me the thread on the water debate.
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Yep...that's the one. I'll look for what I read most recently.....
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05-07-2008, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
Smart's comment and coyotes resourse both have some truth to them. First smart is correct that Paul Reiter is a paid Exxon Mobile spin guru who mentions these diseases are not new as if someone suggested they were.
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Based on what? There is nothing in Smart’s link that proves Reiter is paid by Exxon.
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Originally Posted by Sam
However the article does not refute global warming or even make a case for it or against it.
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And nether do I.
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Originally Posted by Sam
Warmer global temperatures will allow an expansion of the geographic range within which both the mosquito and parasite could survive with sufficient abundance for sustained transmission. Expansion of these regions in addition to the factors listed in the article will contribute to increased incidence of malaria.
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Which is contrary to the evidence we have seen over the last 100 years that shows that as the planet has warmed the range of mosquitoes have declined.
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Originally Posted by Sam
The physician recommendations for short term immediate treatment and prevention will have immediate reductions , however Reiter neglects to address the fact that global temperatures are rising and that it will cause a geographic expansion exposing more people to the disease.
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Well there’s nothing we can do right now to stop temperatures form raising so that is a rather arbitrary point.
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Originally Posted by Sam
As serious as malaria is--it is secondary to issues of available fresh drinking water if sea levels continue to rise.
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I disagree, controlling malaria, will to far more good than controlling sea levels, thought the availability of dirking water is also important aside from sea levels.
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Americans Indians support oil drilling in ANWR.
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05-07-2008, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
Potable water sources are under pressure from many factors...
For me it basically comes down to a simple truth. There can't be infinite growth in a finite system...
(argued with Coyote about that some time ago. Lots of comments regarding Malthus initially)
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A point that I refuted I might add. As far as water is concerned, the problem stems not from an absence of supplies but from the absence of a proper market that would ensure a balance between supply and demand.
Maintaining water resources in open-access commons leads to depletion and degradation. In a commons argument, no one owns water and therefore no one is responsible for it or has an interest in protecting and preserving it.
Freely operating markets are the most effective means for distributing goods, whether they be bread, apartments, shows or water. Water markets discourage users from wasting valuable water, they channel supply to those who value it most, and they help reduce poverty by providing income and employment to the poor.
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Coyote Blog
Americans Indians support oil drilling in ANWR.
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05-08-2008, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by coyote
A point that I refuted I might add. As far as water is concerned, the problem stems not from an absence of supplies but from the absence of a proper market that would ensure a balance between supply and demand.
Maintaining water resources in open-access commons leads to depletion and degradation. In a commons argument, no one owns water and therefore no one is responsible for it or has an interest in protecting and preserving it.
Freely operating markets are the most effective means for distributing goods, whether they be bread, apartments, shows or water. Water markets discourage users from wasting valuable water, they channel supply to those who value it most, and they help reduce poverty by providing income and employment to the poor.
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Ahh a libertarian, last of the great deluded capitalists.
Your insistence on the "free market will solve all problems" is just as deluded as anything a marxist might pronounce.
Why? Because they're all run by people. People are greedy, heartless and generally corrupt. Corporations and totalitarian governments are 10x worse. Just look what happened when they deregulated the finance industry, look into things like robber barons, etc.
Neither total government control nor absolute absence of it will solve the problem. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
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05-08-2008, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by wibblyesq
Ahh a libertarian, last of the great deluded capitalists.
Your insistence on the "free market will solve all problems" is just as deluded as anything a marxist might pronounce.
Why? Because they're all run by people. People are greedy, heartless and generally corrupt. Corporations and totalitarian governments are 10x worse. Just look what happened when they deregulated the finance industry, look into things like robber barons, etc.
Neither total government control nor absolute absence of it will solve the problem. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
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I have great admiration for the Robber Barons, here is good article on that.
Coyote Blog: In Praise of "Robber Barons"
But I’m going to go ahead and agree with you that the government should not be 100% absent, I think a mushy 90% absence will do the trick.
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Americans Indians support oil drilling in ANWR.
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05-08-2008, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wibblyesq
Ahh a libertarian, last of the great deluded capitalists.
Your insistence on the "free market will solve all problems" is just as deluded as anything a marxist might pronounce.
Why? Because they're all run by people. People are greedy, heartless and generally corrupt. Corporations and totalitarian governments are 10x worse. Just look what happened when they deregulated the finance industry, look into things like robber barons, etc.
Neither total government control nor absolute absence of it will solve the problem. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
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Corporations and totalitarian governments are 10x worse. Just look what happened when they deregulated the finance industry, look into things like robber barons, etc.
I remember when the media started doing stories about black people that could not get home loans, mortgage companies were accused of discrimination. Now, you think they are robber barons because they expect people to pay for their loans?
Why don't you just say it "Loans should be free for selected groups that support the Democrat party"
You are a mooch. 
BTW, most Corporations are small middle-class businesses and you say they are 10X worse than people?
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