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Old 05-03-2008, 08:52 AM
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Default Dems hate nuclear power

Democrats are raping Americans at the pump.

If you did not watch the Democrat debate a few nights ago you may not have heard about the remarks by the big 3, Hillary, Edwards, and Obama, about the Yucca Mountain Repository which is supposed to store up to 77,000 tons of nuclear waste for thousands of years.

Their response to the question posed by the moderator, “would you kill the Yucca Mountain project?”, was a resounding yes.

Obama’s answer:

I will end the notion of Yucca Mountain because it has not been based on the sort of sound science that can assure the people in Nevada that they’re going to be safe.

Not based on sound science aye? Well, you were a elected official of the State of Illinois, one that currently has the Zion nuclear facility in storage, along with thousands of tons of nuclear waste just sitting there waiting for storage. Think this could pose a health risk?

No worries about that but instead he panders to the voters and says he doesn’t believe a site built specifically to store this waste and prevent any health risks to the population is based on sound science.

Hillary is against it also and:

We do have to figure out what to do with nuclear waste.

How about doing what the French are doing? Making themselves much less dependent on oil and the countries that supply that oil by using nuclear power AND reprocessing that used nuclear fuel:

Over the past four decades, America’s reactors have produced about 56,000 tons of used fuel. Jack Spencer, research fellow for nuclear energy policy at the Thomas A. Rowe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, says this “waste” has enough energy to power every U.S. household for a dozen years.

As we’ve noted, France long ago achieved energy independence by relying on nuclear energy for most of its power needs. But it also leads the world in processing this waste to create even more energy.

The French have reprocessed spent nuclear fuel for 30 years without incident. There have been no accidental explosions, no terrorist attacks, no contribution to nuclear proliferation. Their facility in La Hague has safely processed more than 23,000 tons of spent fuel, or enough to power the entire country for 14 years.

Our country pioneered the technology to reprocess it but banned the process in the late 70’s because every time its reprocessed it increases the plutonium content. Our country was scared it could fall into the wrong hands. But France, Russia, and Japan have been reprocessing for decades with no problems which alleviates the problem of what to do with the waste.

Why not offer this up, with increased security measures to ensure the safety of the reprocessed fuel rather then banning nuclear power altogether as Edwards suggested here:

I am against building more nuclear power plants, because I do not think we have a safe way to dispose of the waste. I think they’re dangerous, they’re great terrorist targets and they’re extraordinarily expensive.

They are not, in my judgment, the way to green this — to get us off our dependence on oil.

Amazing. The only technology with the ability to replace fossil fuels known to man, that does not emit CO2, and Democrats are against it.
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Nuclear Energy Institute - May 6, 2008


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May 6, 2008John Rowe
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Many of our companies – mine included – are considering construction of the first new nuclear power plants in the United States in several decades.

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Perhaps four to eight new plants in commercial operation as early as 2016 or so.
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Many of you are aware that the French and Japanese export credit agencies are keenly interested in participating in financing new nuclear plants in the United States, and are in active discussions with some of our companies.
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Political support for nuclear has become increasingly bipartisan. Our friends in organized labor have played a key role in helping build support among policy-makers who are not traditional industry allies.

It will be critical for us to continue to work with labor and other stakeholders to build support at all levels of government.
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Why are there more nuke plants in blue states than in red states?
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Dems don't hate nuclear power, they are simply terrified of anything new. Dems are modern day Luddites, afraid of their own shadow when it comes to new technology.
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:21 AM
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Dems don't hate nuclear power, they are simply terrified of anything new. Dems are modern day Luddites, afraid of their own shadow when it comes to new technology.
Who is proposing anything new????

Everything that Bush and his corporate buddies are talking about is old technology, in fact ancient technology. They are proposing to go back to 1968 and start up where they left off. With all the same nuclear scientists and engineers and technicians and processing plants and reactor designs and welders and steel mills and foundries and construction workers.

In case you hadn't noticed, that was 40 year ago, and in the past four decades, especially with people like Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-McCain providing leadership, when it came to

- nuclear engineering schools

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

- nuclear scientists and engineers

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

- steel mills and foundries for really big projects

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

Of course, we could outsource the construction to the Chinese. They are working in new nuclear reactor designs and they have the scientists and engineering schools to supply the scientists and engineers. And China have from the commanding heights said that having big steel mills and foundries is a matter of national honor so they can fabricate the reactors without problems.


It is the Republicans that want to keep thing the way they were, and not do anything different than in 1968. Yep, Bush is trying to return the US to 1968 with a US installed dictator in Iran, the US selling nuclear reactors based on the most up to date 1958 reactor design, the cold war raging, a Vietnam, massively expensive government subsidized nuclear power plants being constructed, Bush and Cheney dodging the draft, tied dyed hippies protesting the war and environmental disaster.

Bush is proposing nothing new, but only a return to the past.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:43 PM
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This is happening 50 miles from my home.
Why does Hillary and Obama want an annual $10 Billion energy trust fund?

The two reactors at the South Texas nuclear power plant, an hour southwest of Houston, last year churned out 21.37 billion kilowatt-hours. By 2015, its majority owner, New Jersey-based NRG Energy, hopes to at least double that capacity if it gets permission to build two more reactors on the site. The company filed the first application on Monday for a new nuclear power plant—two advanced boiling-water reactors—in more than 30 years.

"It is a new day for energy in America," David Crane, NRG president and chief executive officer, said after making the application. "Advanced nuclear technology is the only currently viable large-scale alternative to traditional coal-fueled generation to produce none of the traditional air emissions," including the greenhouse gases responsible for climate change.

Armed with the backing of the White House and congressional leaders—and subsidies, such as $500 million in risk insurance from the U.S. Department of Energy— the nuclear industry is experiencing a revival in the U.S. As many as 29 new reactors may be added to the current U.S. fleet of 104, according to Bill Borchardt, director of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's (NRC) office of new reactors. "It is going to be significantly different than it was in the 1970s," he says.

The South Texas project is the first entirely new reactor out of the gate, though it simply fulfills the original planning for four reactors at the site. The NRC says such upgrades of existing facilities are likely to comprise the majority of new nuclear power plants, all but one—a plant near Syracuse in central New York State— are in the Southeast or Texas. "At the majority of these sites, there's strong support for nuclear power," says Loren Plisco, NRC's deputy regional administrator for construction in the southeastern region.

The inactive reactor at Browns Ferry in northern Alabama was restarted in May after being shuttered for 22 years due to maintenance issues its owner, the Tennessee Valley Authority, decided would be too costly to fix. Completion of construction of a second reactor at TVA's Watts Bar power plant near Chattanooga in Tennessee has begun as well. The TVA expects to finish construction in 2013 at a cost of $2.49 billion. Its older twin at Watts Bar required 23 years to build at a total cost of nearly $7 billion, according to the TVA.

Such long delays and ballooning costs—paired with improvements in U.S. energy efficiency and reactor accidents at Three Mile Island in 1979 and Chernobyl in 1986—helped kill the first wave of nuclear power plant construction in the U.S. And the rebirth is not without controversy: Some environmentalists oppose the new construction, noting that all of the potential risks linked to nuclear power remain. "The flaws of nuclear power—excessive cost, security threats and long-lived radioactive waste—have not been solved," says Tyson Slocum, director of Public Citizen's energy program. "More nuclear reactors will only exacerbate these problems."
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Who is proposing anything new????

Everything that Bush and his corporate buddies are talking about is old technology, in fact ancient technology. They are proposing to go back to 1968 and start up where they left off. With all the same nuclear scientists and engineers and technicians and processing plants and reactor designs and welders and steel mills and foundries and construction workers.

In case you hadn't noticed, that was 40 year ago, and in the past four decades, especially with people like Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-McCain providing leadership, when it came to

- nuclear engineering schools

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

- nuclear scientists and engineers

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

- steel mills and foundries for really big projects

the response was "those jobs are gone and aren't coming back so move on."

Of course, we could outsource the construction to the Chinese. They are working in new nuclear reactor designs and they have the scientists and engineering schools to supply the scientists and engineers. And China have from the commanding heights said that having big steel mills and foundries is a matter of national honor so they can fabricate the reactors without problems.


It is the Republicans that want to keep thing the way they were, and not do anything different than in 1968. Yep, Bush is trying to return the US to 1968 with a US installed dictator in Iran, the US selling nuclear reactors based on the most up to date 1958 reactor design, the cold war raging, a Vietnam, massively expensive government subsidized nuclear power plants being constructed, Bush and Cheney dodging the draft, tied dyed hippies protesting the war and environmental disaster.

Bush is proposing nothing new, but only a return to the past.
But Obama, Hillery, Pelosi, Reid, et al, are proposing absolutely nothing. Not new refineries, not new steel mills, not new reactors. Just this unexplained "Change". Just like the "We have a plan" CRAP before the 06 elections. Undoubtedly with the exact same results; WORSE CONDITIONS than before.
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Just wondering what the Search engines come up with
Your search for CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM in Atomic Energy returned 12 articles

All about some stupid evactuation pland

Search Obama Nuke plants:

Nuclear plants become a factor in elections | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | National Politics

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Barack Obama says nuclear power should be explored as an energy option. Hillary Rodham Clinton says she's "agnostic" on whether more nuclear plants should be built.

As climate change rises to the top of voters' minds, many Democrats are reconsidering their anti-nuclear stance. The party front-runners' refusal to rule it out may indicate a big shift in U.S. environmental politics, coming at a time when Texas power companies want to build up to six new reactors.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us...exelon.html?hp

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Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
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Saw this too:

All 3 U.S. presidential candidates back nuclear power - International Herald Tribune

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INDIANAPOLIS: But John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton all have different approaches to how they would use nuclear power, seen by some as dangerous and others as needed to fight climate change.

John McCain embraces it. Barack Obama wants to address its flaws. Hillary Clinton is cautious but not opposed
So what I can figure:

1. McCain wants new Nuke plants

2. Obama want's to drown it in red tape to address it's flaws.

3. Hillary is just a dumbshit
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