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04-17-2008, 09:22 PM
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Iwo Jima Veterans Blast Time's 'Special Environmental Issue' Cover
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04-18-2008, 12:43 AM
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Donald Mates is a very nice old man . He was a marine injured by a grenade when cleaning out a fox hole. He was brave and he enlisted in the marines when only 17. He is admirable and served his country honorably. After serving, he lived in the midwest and worked at a bank. He is a regular on Fox News for his part in this patriotic picture of strength and is tickled to death when asked to be on their show.
This pose has been used to show strength in tackling something threatening. It takes nothing away from the greatness of our country and WW2. I have seen this pose used with fire fighters after 9-11, sports teams and other times for symbolism.
Donald Mates is not a scientist and he does not own this pose. This cover photo was symbolism used to show efforts for a different kind of threat and that is to our water supply and the health of our earth which impacts human health and lives.
Most people who understand science recognize the negative effects of polluting our air and water supplies. I respect those who have not read, studied or believe in the negative effects of polluting our earth. It is complex and a great deal of science. It is much easier to make a rash judgement and have fun jokes about it. The deniers are similar to those who did not understand the effects of tobacco, transfats or adding carcinogens to water and food supplies.
Donald Mates has a right to his opinion and from the times I have seen him on Hannity he seems like a nice old guy. He does not own the pose or the rights to it. Fortunately the worlds leading scientists and leaders do want to find solutions to polluting our earth and this was just simply a symbol of those efforts. It takes nothing away from from the honor, bravery and fortitude of those who served in WW2.
I imagine Fox will have him on quite a bit in the next few weeks and use his opinion as though he actually understands science .
It might be more meaningful if they could find a scientist who is reputable and with no conflict of interest to discuss a peer reviewed study as opposed to Donald Mates when discussing science.
I honor Donald Mates for his bravery and all those who served and died in WW2. I have many relatives who served and my uncle died somewhere over Italy after being shot down in his plane.
I would not go to Donald Mates for medical, scientific or legal advice. I honor him for what he did and what he represents and not for opinions to all the worlds problems which IMO are terrorism, nuclear proliferation and our enviornment. I believe we are talented and strong enough to tackle all of these threats without alarmism , but looking for solutions. This cover was simply symbolic of the efforts of finding a solution to one of the problems facing modern society.
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04-18-2008, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam
Donald Mates is a very nice old man . He was a marine injured by a grenade when cleaning out a fox hole. He was brave and he enlisted in the marines when only 17. He is admirable and served his country honorably. After serving, he lived in the midwest and worked at a bank. He is a regular on Fox News for his part in this patriotic picture of strength and is tickled to death when asked to be on their show.
This pose has been used to show strength in tackling something threatening. It takes nothing away from the greatness of our country and WW2. I have seen this pose used with fire fighters after 9-11, sports teams and other times for symbolism.
Donald Mates is not a scientist and he does not own this pose. This cover photo was symbolism used to show efforts for a different kind of threat and that is to our water supply and the health of our earth which impacts human health and lives.
Most people who understand science recognize the negative effects of polluting our air and water supplies. I respect those who have not read, studied or believe in the negative effects of polluting our earth. It is complex and a great deal of science. It is much easier to make a rash judgement and have fun jokes about it. The deniers are similar to those who did not understand the effects of tobacco, transfats or adding carcinogens to water and food supplies.
Donald Mates has a right to his opinion and from the times I have seen him on Hannity he seems like a nice old guy. He does not own the pose or the rights to it. Fortunately the worlds leading scientists and leaders do want to find solutions to polluting our earth and this was just simply a symbol of those efforts. It takes nothing away from from the honor, bravery and fortitude of those who served in WW2.
I imagine Fox will have him on quite a bit in the next few weeks and use his opinion as though he actually understands science .
It might be more meaningful if they could find a scientist who is reputable and with no conflict of interest to discuss a peer reviewed study as opposed to Donald Mates when discussing science.
I honor Donald Mates for his bravery and all those who served and died in WW2. I have many relatives who served and my uncle died somewhere over Italy after being shot down in his plane.
I would not go to Donald Mates for medical, scientific or legal advice. I honor him for what he did and what he represents and not for opinions to all the worlds problems which IMO are terrorism, nuclear proliferation and our enviornment. I believe we are talented and strong enough to tackle all of these threats without alarmism , but looking for solutions. This cover was simply symbolic of the efforts of finding a solution to one of the problems facing modern society.
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Are you speaking of the "Environmental profiteering" epidemic?
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04-18-2008, 08:47 AM
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Are you speaking of the "Environmental profiteering" epidemic?
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Yes, globaloney using vets, how fitting. 
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04-18-2008, 08:49 AM
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A Tale of Two Houses
House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the 'environmentalist ' Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
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04-18-2008, 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef
A Tale of Two Houses
House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the 'environmentalist ' Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
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04-18-2008, 11:34 AM
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I respect those who have not read, studied or believe in the negative effects of polluting our earth.
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>>>I don't respect those people. If all they relied on was intuition, they'd know that polluted water and air is not a good thing.
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04-18-2008, 01:26 PM
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>>>I don't respect those people. If all they relied on was intuition, they'd know that polluted water and air is not a good thing.
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I also don't respect people who are making Al Gore and his cronies pocket book fatter.
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04-20-2008, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef
A Tale of Two Houses
House #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the 'environmentalist ' Al Gore.
HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
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Along the Grey Path: Neocon "Inconvenient Truth" of Bush and Gore Homes Full of Lies
Funny how so many gullible people take these circulating emails based on half truths and many lies, seriously. I receive them on all the candidates and on many issues. I would not take them at face value.
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04-20-2008, 11:17 PM
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These old fucks have bought into this "they are the greatest generation shit".
Who gives a fuck what an eighty year old thinks?
It is like listening to a sixteen y/o. Pointless.
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