The issue isn't whether I believe Glenn Beck over NASA. As I mentioned I don't have bone to pick with Beck but I also don't listen to him regularly. And as for NASA, I'm not sure which representative you are talking about. However, there is a large group of meterologists, scientists and even activists who strongly question the whole hysteria of "Global Warming". As I had mentioned in another post, it has gotten to the stage where it is now a billion $$ investment for the hysteria to continue. Al Gore has admitted this himself as he has invested large amounts of money. It's a cottage industry. While I believe that the earth goes through cycles, I am not of the belief of someone like Ted Turner who predicted that in 20 years we are all going to be cannibals and such.

Out of pure curiosity I went over to Beck's website and found this just to add to our discussion. I don't know if it's all correct but this seems to be a sample of all the thins that "Global Warming People" are saying.



A complete list of things caused by global warming

Acne, agricultural land increase, Afghan poppies destroyed, Africa devastated, African aid threatened, Africa in conflict, aggressive weeds, air pressure changes, Alaska reshaped, allergies increase, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra to burn, Atlantic less salty, Atlantic more salty, atmospheric circulation modified, attack of the killer jellyfish, avalanches reduced, avalanches increased, Baghdad snow, Bahrain under water, bananas grow, beer shortage, beetle infestation, bet for $10,000, better beer, big melt faster, billion dollar research projects, billions face risk, billions of deaths, bird distributions change, bird visitors drop, birds confused, birds return early, birds driven north, bittern boom ends, blackbirds stop singing, blizzards, blue mussels return, bluetongue, brains shrink, bridge collapse (Minneapolis), Britain Siberian, British gardens change, brothels struggle, brown Ireland, bubonic plague, budget increases, Buddhist temple threatened, building collapse, building season extension, bushfires, business opportunities, business risks, butterflies move north, camel deaths, cancer deaths in England, cannibalism, cataracts, caterpillar biomass shift, cave paintings threatened, childhood insomnia, Cholera, circumcision in decline, cirrus disappearance, civil unrest, cloud increase, cloud stripping, cockroach migration, coffee threatened, cold climate creatures survive, cold spells (Australia), cold wave (India), computer models, conferences, conflict, conflict with Russia, consumers

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foot the bill, coral bleaching, coral reefs dying, coral reefs grow, coral reefs shrink , cost of trillions, cougar attacks, cradle of civilisation threatened, crime increase, crocodile sex, crops devastated, crumbling roads, buildings and sewage systems, curriculum change, cyclones (Australia), danger to kid's health, Darfur, Dartford Warbler plague, death rate increase (US), Dengue hemorrhagic fever, depression, desert advance, desert retreat, destruction of the environment, disappearance of coastal cities, diseases move north, Dolomites collapse, drought, ducks and geese decline, dust bowl in the corn belt, early marriages, early spring, earlier pollen season, Earth biodiversity crisis, Earth dying, Earth even hotter, Earth light dimming, Earth lopsided, Earth melting, Earth morbid fever, Earth on fast track, Earth past point of no return, Earth slowing down, Earth spins faster, Earth to explode, earth upside down, Earth wobbling, earthquakes, El Niño intensification, end of the world as we know it, erosion, emerging infections, encephalitis, English villages lost, equality threatened, Europe simultaneously baking and freezing, eutrophication, evolution accelerating, expansion of university climate groups, extinctions (human, civilisation, logic, Inuit, smallest butterfly, cod, ladybirds, pikas, polar bears, gorillas, walrus, whales, frogs, toads, plants, salmon, trout, wild flowers, woodlice, penguins, a million species, half of all animal and plant species, mountain species, not polar bears, barrier reef, leaches), experts muzzled, extreme changes to California, fading fall foliage, fainting, famine, farmers go under, fashion disaster, fever,figurehead sacked, fir cone bonanza, fish catches drop, fish downsize, fish catches rise, fish deaf, fish get lost, fish stocks at risk, fish stocks decline, five million illnesses, flesh eating disease, flood patterns change, floods, floods of beaches and cities, flood of migrants, flood preparation for crisis, Florida economic decline, flowers in peril, food poisoning, food prices rise, food prices soar, food security threat (SA), footpath erosion, forest decline, forest expansion, frog with extra heads, frostbite, frost damage increased, frosts, fungi fruitful, fungi invasion, games change, Garden of Eden wilts, genetic diversity decline, gene pools slashed, giant oysters invade, giant pythons invade, giant squid migrate, gingerbread houses collapse, glacial earthquakes, glacial retreat, glacial growth, glacier wrapped, global cooling, global dimming, glowing clouds, god melts, golf Masters wrecked, Gore omnipresence, grandstanding, grasslands wetter, Great Barrier Reef 95% dead, Great Lakes drop, greening of the North, Grey whales lose weight, Gulf Stream failure, habitat loss, Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome, harmful algae, harvest increase, harvest shrinkage, hay fever epidemic, health affected, health of children harmed, heart disease, heart attacks and strokes (Australia), heat waves, hibernation affected, hibernation ends too soon, hibernation ends too late, homeless 50 million, hornets, high court debates, human development faces unprecedented reversal, human fertility reduced, human health improvement, human health risk, human race oblivion, hurricanes, hurricane reduction, hydropower problems, hyperthermia deaths, ice sheet growth, ice sheet shrinkage, ice shelf collapse, illness and death, inclement weather, India drowning, infrastructure failure (Canada), industry threatened, infectious diseases, inflation in China, insect explosion, insurance premium rises, Inuit displacement, Inuit poisoned, Inuit suing, invasion of cats, invasion of herons, invasion of jellyfish, invasion of midges, island disappears, islands sinking, itchier poison ivy, jellyfish explosion, jets fall from sky, Kew Gardens taxed, killing us, kitten boom, krill decline, lake and stream productivity decline, lake empties, lake shrinking and growing, landslides, landslides of ice at 140 mph, lawsuits increase, lawsuit successful, lawyers' income increased (surprise surprise!), lives saved, Loch Ness monster dead, lush growth in rain forests, Malaria, mammoth dung melt. *There was other stuff that I somehow didn't paste properly*.

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Sam; I grew up with the fear of Dow Chemical. That they were polluting our air, our waters, that we would be the first to be hit with a nuclear attack. Remember the movie 1980's movie "The Day After"? I know corporations and people can be bought off.

NRC: Dow Chemical Company

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Steve you are getting absurd with the volumes of copy and pastes.You and I are both adults having a discussion and I am not claiming global warming has caused every problem known to man so no need to go off like that. Citizens that care about the environment are just like any other group of people-there is a spectrum from practical and logical people working on solutions to problems to radicals. That is true with almost any group of people including the military, healthcare workers, religious people and so on.

I addressed your post about Beck because you admired his live leak clip which was on a specific topic and I addressed it.In fact, i think the live leak clip made him look brainwashed that he could deny NASA graphs with no scientific information or evidence. On it he claimed the earth has not warmed since 1998 and complained about an email where a person took exception to a BBC headline. Do you agree with the live leak video of Beck that you were enthused about? Would you like to have a scientific discussion about the earth and if it has warmed or cooled since 1998. That was what the video was about that you linked and it was disputed by NASA.

We posted at the same time, I replied to you.

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I thought it was a discussion as to the validity of Global Warming. The point in that ridiculous paste (which it certainly was) was to illustrate just how out of control damaging the who "cause" has become. But it wasn't me "going off" or anything of the kind.

In terms of the Beck video, I had put it on to show that there is no room for debate with "the elite" and how those series of e-mails from reporter to activist were clearly meant to intimidate and stifle. That is as clear as day and at the very least hopefully you and I can come to an understanding that this "debate" in the public square has been anything but. I find that those on the "far-left" which you don't (thankfully) seem to be aren't interested in honest discussion. You seem to be and that's great.

Okay, I really am sorry you were exposed to carcinogen polluted water. Why do you believe all environmentalists use politics of fear and are evil? You should consider each issue on a case by case basis and not broad brush important topics.There is a spectrum of people who care for the environment just like there is a spectrum of people in the military. Billions were bilked from Iraq and fear mongering was used and yet some admirable people have accomplished some good things in Iraq. Would you broad brush Iraq and those involved as all Iraqbaloney because the politics of fear was used and pocketbooks were padded with billions of tax payer dollars? I would not. Do you see my point- you are broad brushing complex issues to assume all those who care and support the environment are using politics of fear. You benefit immensely from the work of environmentalists everyday and your daughters will also.

Life should be balanced and just as economics are important and defense so is human health which is directly impacted by air, water and soil supplies. As much as half of all cancers are caused by environmental conditions and the balance of environmentalists who often simply care and make little money offsets unbridled corporations. Some people would not do what was right without environmental standards and laws. The impact might not occur for years. Would you want a company to be allowed to dump carcinogens in your daughters drinking water? The work of environmentalists have stopped this and yet you broadbrush their efforts by just looking at the radicals.

Should I judge the military only by the rapists or murderers or the ones that stole billions? I prefer to see the entire picture and not just frame groups by the radicals or extremists. It is dishonesty at its worst because often there are very sincere people working in various ways to protect you and they are not paid much. That goes for both the military and the environmentalists.

I am so analytical I actually listened to him on the live leak and considered his point. The problem was his point was not even valid by a skeptics standards. Most skeptics do not dispute that the earth is warming-they dispute the cause. Beck was actually disputing warming since 1998 and if he had read the article he referred to he would have seen the absurdity of his point. He is not a very good journalist. In fact, he is so bad (and Steve, I know you were not promoting him) I am suspicious Headline News has him on to make conservatives look stupid. I could be wrong on this.

As evidence for my childhood, I know all the dangers of chemical and pollutants. I've been aware of the enviroment since the day I was born. It's not a new phenomenon. Dow chemical and other corporations have quietly cleaned up over the years. I am an enviromentalist, Sam. However, many people are jumping on the band wagon when they haven't a clue. They are being spoon fed by the media, by Al Gore. I'm sorry, but you really haven't walked in my shoes to tell me I don't know anything about the enviroment.

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