Rename "Global Warming Forum"

[Upton]

Death by the Bay

By David Helvarg
November 13, 2007
Oil-covered birds look even worse in real life than they do on TV. Not the dead ones so much, except when a gull has ripped open a floating grebe and is pulling at its toxic guts.

Hong Kong-based shipping executives don't have to use ships that burn heavy bunker fuel, the dregs of the petroleum process. Of course, cleaner fuels would prove marginally more expensive, and U.S. consumers would have to pay a penny extra for their tube socks or Chinese-made children's toys. Besides, with modern navigation technology, what's the likelihood that a cargo ship is going to ram into the San Francisco Bay Bridge in the fog and spill 58,000 gallons of that nasty fuel?

Of course, that is exactly what happened Nov. 7. Coast Guard investigators are still shaking their heads in amazement as they track the human error involved.

There's also the question of scale. The 810-foot Cosco Busan was carrying 2,500 TEU (Twenty-foot Equivalent Unit) containers. There are now cargo ships that carry more than 10,000. Yet unlike tankers full of oil, giant cargo ships aren't required to have a tug escort when entering or leaving San Francisco Bay.

I'm sitting by the dock of the Bay -- that's what Otis Redding called the Berkeley Municipal Pier in his famous song. Only now it smells like a gas station. On the rock pile below me, a surf scoter -- a diving duck -- is using the bottom of its red bill to preen its oil-blackened feathers. It shakes its head and carefully repeats the process for the half an hour I'm there. When I make too sudden a move, it flaps its wings like it's going to flee into the water, where it would likely die of hypothermia, its natural insulation ruined by the oil. I'll see dozens more oiled birds this day: scoters, grebes, gulls, a rudy duck and cormorants.

The Berkeley marina behind me is one big, oily sheen. "Rainbows of oil" is a misnomer. Gasoline leaves rainbow sheens. Bunker fuel leaves green-and-brown streaks and smudges like marbled meat gone bad. It leaves floating tar balls and disks and globular curly-cue pieces, and concentrations of hard, asphalt-like toxic chips.

It's been raining throughout the afternoon. The experts aren't sure whether this will help the cleanup efforts. There are 19 agencies involved. The oil has spread out through the Golden Gate to Ocean Beach and north to Point Reyes. At the Marin Headlands, orange plastic fencing and oil-spill warning signs block access to the wide, cliff-framed strand where workers in yellow hazmat suits have been removing oil-stained boulders and scraping away contaminated sand.

Back home in Richmond, I return to the waterfront, this time at Shimada Friendship Park. There's a couple, early 20s, Amber Kirst and Scott Egan. She's walking the shoreline, her white pants oil-stained at the ankles, wearing a protective rubber glove and holding a bag full of oiled litter and dead crabs.

"We've got a live crab too. He was in a Cheetos bag," she tells me, climbing up the rocks to the pathway. "We drove down from Lodi to volunteer, but they said they'd get back to us. It's an hour-and-a-half drive. We needed to do something."

The Cheetos crab is still alive. She shows me the small critter, with its dark shell. "Should I put it back? Is it too oiled for them to feed on?"

She looks at the hundreds of shorebirds hunting in the exposed mud flats and floating just beyond. "It's all so depressing," she concludes before climbing back down to pick up more oiled litter.

We build our homes in fire zones; we move millions of tons of goods and fuel through marine sanctuaries; we continue to burn a product that, used as directed, overheats our planet. Amber and Scott came from Lodi. They needed to do something. We all do.

Death by the Bay - Los Angeles Times

[locutusofborg277]

Originally Posted by Badmutha

I agree 100%--rename this column to GLOBAL SCAMS!

Actually, I believe that global warming is possible, just that human activity cannot contribute enough pollution to cause, in the past 200 years we've seen the average temperature rise by 1 degree, one degree.

Do you think that that one degree can change the Environment, based on global warming, there is probably another environmental explanation for the increase in poor weather.

[Badmutha]

Originally Posted by locutusofborg277

Actually, I believe that global warming is possible, just that human activity cannot contribute enough pollution to cause, in the past 200 years we've seen the average temperature rise by 1 degree, one degree.

Do you think that that one degree can change the Environment, based on global warming, there is probably another environmental explanation for the increase in poor weather.

I agree with you--Global Warming is possible--but it isnt the science the has made this a hot topic (Or a Forum Category)--its the POLITICAL MOVEMENT behind it that has given Global Warming its legs.

To those that support the THEORY of Global Warming--can you please tell me what the weather will be like in 2 weeks. Oh you can't--then tell me why we are relying on weather predictions 50 years from now.

Please tell me what SUV model the cavemen were driving around that caused that period of Global Warming.

And please tell me why the sun is left out of the global warming debate. Is it impossible to think the increase in the SUN's temperature and radiant output
might have something to do with this ONE DEGREE increase here.

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The 'global warming' nuts are just another Doomsday cult.

[Upton]

Look who's paying the global warming deniers

Exxon Still Funding Climate Change Deniers 2007




Exxon is pumping out lies

So. The day of reckoning has come – when we get to find out just how much of the climate change denial industry ExxonMobil is still paying for.
This is the company which, apparently, has been "misunderstood" on global warming and has said it has dropped its funding of the deniers.

The ExxonSecrets people have gone through the documents, and found a clear answer: last year Exxon spent $2.1 million on 41 groups who are leading the climate skeptic industry.

While the company has been forced to drop the hottest potato of them all, the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) and another particularly vocal denier, Steve "Junk Science" Milloy, the rest of them are still on the payroll.

Like who? The Heartland Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the George C Marshall Institute, the American Enterprise Institute… all the groups who've been at the heart of the climate change denial industry for more than a decade. These include the groups who were listed in a 1998 American Petroleum Institute memo outlining a communications strategy for taking down the Kyoto Protocol.

So despite its protestations, the company is still running the skeptic industry.

So what else is Exxon not telling us?

ExxonSecrets has obtained the company's Exxon Foundation 2005 report to the IRS. Exxon told the IRS that that it funded 14 groups specifically for their climate change work. But somehow the company didn’t mention this in public.

Exxon has always been quick to point out that it just gives these groups general funding and doesn't tell them what to do or how to spend the money.

But giving money to the Frontiers of Freedom for their "climate change efforts" seems pretty specific. Especially when those "efforts" included an eight-page report dedicated entirely to questioning global warming science, policy and attacking Al Gore.

"The truth is, there is no conclusive or reliable scientific proof that the sky is falling or that Earth's climate is experiencing cataclysmic warming caused by man's activities," says Frontiers for Freedom. Last year Exxon rewarded these efforts with a $180,000 grant, up from $80,000 the year before.

Another is the George C Marshall Institute, whose CEO William O'Keefe (former American Petroleum Institute officer and registered ExxonMobil lobbyist) recently referred to the April 2007 ruling by the US Supreme Court (that the EPA has the authority to regulate carbon dioxide) as "a triumph of judicial activism…ideology… political science" by a court that “may have been too influenced by political correctness and climate orthodoxy." The institute got $85,000 from Exxon in 2006.

This company has now funded the climate change denial industry to the tune of $22 million since 1998. Last year the UK's prestigious scientific body, the Royal Society, wrote to Exxon asking them to stop funding the groups who were “misinforming the public about the science of climate change”. Exxon indicated to the Royal Society that they had – and they would. In February this year Exxon did a big public relations round of the media, saying it had been "misunderstood" on climate change and gave the clear indication that it had dropped its funding of the climate skeptic industry.

"Exxon softens its stance on climate change" screamed the headlines. But very little has changed, except Exxon's PR machine. It's been business as usual at the Dallas HQ, no matter what they said in public.

Exxon Still Funding Climate Change Deniers | Greenpeace USA

[Badmutha]

Originally Posted by Upton

Look who's paying the global warming deniers

Exxon Still Funding Climate Change Deniers | Greenpeace USA

Upton cmon--its straight from the Greenpeace HOME page--the activists--the movement--some tree hugging hippy wrote this story in between bong rips.

If I went to EXXON HOME page--do you think they might have their own story--and should we trust that as much as you trust Greenpeace?

Couldnt the "climate skeptic industry" just be some of the MILLIONS of people that disagree with man made global warming.

Upton--lets say you were the boss--and you were selling tie-dye T-shirts as your product. And some other orginization started telling the world that your shirts were polluting the Earth and would eventually kill all life on the planet.

Now Upton--you know its all BS--so to counteract the all the bad press--wouldnt you have representatives go out and speak on behalf of company?


What do you say Upton? Do you believe in the movement? Do you have solutions for our energy problems? Do you think a few hundred years of industrialized man can really destroy a planet that is MILLIONS of years old?

[Upton]

Originally Posted by Badmutha

Upton cmon--its straight from the Greenpeace HOME page--the activists--the movement--some tree hugging hippy wrote this story in between bong rips.

If I went to EXXON HOME page--do you think they might have their own story--and should we trust that as much as you trust Greenpeace?

Couldnt the "climate skeptic industry" just be some of the MILLIONS of people that disagree with man made global warming.

With Exxon it's about greed, Greenpeace, idealism. I trust an organization sporting ideals, over one influenced by greed, every time. However, it appears Exxon's millions are having an effect, as you so readily demonstrate.

Originally Posted by Badmutha

Upton--lets say you were the boss--and you were selling tie-dye T-shirts as your product. And some other orginization started telling the world that your shirts were polluting the Earth and would eventually kill all life on the planet.

Now Upton--you know its all BS--so to counteract the all the bad press--wouldnt you have representatives go out and speak on behalf of company?

"Tie dye T-shirts"? Is this part of the continuing hippie analogy?

Exxon Mobil doesn't "know it's all BS", they just know wide acceptance of the science, which indicates man is contributing to global warming, potentially means government regulations. After all, can't have that, could cut into those record profits.

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The crisis of environmentalism has been developed as a means to bring about a one-world government: "Through a skillful wedding of socialism, New Age Pantheism and a manufactured climate of despair over a 'dying planet', these powerful individuals (David Rockefeller and Edmund de Rothschild) are creating a climate of fear which will see mankind not only accept, but demand, a one-world government to deliver us from environmental apocalypse. This one-world government will, of course, be the capstone of their planned New World Order. "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill," declared members of the Club of Rome in a sweeping 1991 report on global governance. "All these dangers are caused by human intervention . . . The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

In the Summer of 1991 Tal Brooke quoted Brock Chisolm, director of the UN World Health Organization in SCP Journal: "To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas."

Al Gore, who wrote a book to spread a similar message, said, "We must make rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization." In Earth in the Balance, he calls for a "worldwide education program" and a "panreligious perspective" based on "the wisdom distilled by all faiths."

In 1993, Vice President Al Gore also established the National Religious Partnership for the Environment -- with its offices also located at the Cathedral. The Partnership is composed of the U.S. Catholic Conference, the National Council of Churches, the Evangelical Environmental Network, and the Consultation of Jewish Life and the Environment -- and has received a multimillion-dollar commitment from The Rockefeller Foundation and others to fund a major ecumenical/eco-spiritual broadside aimed at churchgoers. Every Roman Catholic Church in America will soon be the object of ruling class largesse. Laurence Rockefeller is also said to have assisted the publication of The Coming of the Cosmic Christ by former Dominican priest turned New Age Episcopalian Matthew Fox.

In January 1993 CBS featured an hour on the comeback of LSD. A week or two later, fashion reports said the sixties/seventies look was back -- including bell bottoms and dresses exposing the belly. Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news, has said: "We're going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose to deal with."

Lyndon LaRouche is a big booster of ecumenicism; curiously, both LaRouche and the Masonic-Theosophist organization World Goodwill have recently been singing the praises of a 15th century Catholic ecumenicist, Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa. In this climate, even Herbert "British-Israel" Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God has reversed its course, and its offending doctrines as well, to become properly ecumenical --- certainly a telling point!

Ram Dass gave a three-hour talk in 1994 at the "Celebration Of the Birth Centenary of Aldous Huxley." It ended with an ecstatic Dance of Shiva on stage with Laura Huxley and Tai Ji Master Chungliang Al Huang while the section of Island was read aloud.

The second aeon, said Crowley, the tutor of the young Aldous Huxley, was that of Osiris, the father. This period "was characterized by patriarchial religions such as Judaism, Buddhism, Islam and Christianity." Aleister Crowley wrote that in the initiation for the new age "the whole planet must be bathed in blood . . . This bloody sacrifice is the critical point of the World Ceremony . . ." He worshiped the goddess as "Our Lady Babylon." "The Great Whore (was) an ancient epithet for the Goddess."

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[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Upton

With Exxon it's about greed, Greenpeace, idealism. I trust an organization sporting ideals, over one influenced by greed, every time.

But what makes you think those "idealistic" folks aren't motivated by greed too? Think about it, carbon dioxide is a byproduct of every human action. The people who will dictate what actions can be allowed, what projects can move forward and what companies can do the work will be set to receive huge amounts of graft. They will be in the drivers seat directing the future of mankind. That's a whole lot of power at stake. You don't think that might bring out some greedy folks?

I'll take good old fashioned monetary greed over power greed any day of the week. I can understand a guy who just wants to make money. Some guy who wants to dictate the actions of his fellow man and take bribes to manipulate the system is a kind of evil I just cant deal with.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by Upton

Upton: The ExxonSecrets people have gone through the documents, and found a clear answer: last year Exxon spent $2.1 million on 41 groups who are leading the climate skeptic industry.

That’s not very much, Greenpeace alone gets an annual income of $23.4 million. If we are ever going to have a real debate on this subject climate skeptics should get at least the same amount of money these environmental groups do. Open your wallet Rex Tillerson you cheap bastard!!!

Originally Posted by Upton

With Exxon it's about greed, Greenpeace, idealism. I trust an organization sporting ideals, over one influenced by greed, every time. However, it appears Exxon's millions are having an effect, as you so readily demonstrate.

Greenpeace isn’t motivated by greed? Do you really think they wouldn’t care if the Turner Foundation stopped giving them checks every year? Are all the corporations that pushed for the Kyoto Treaty, like General Electric, DuPont, and Enron, are they not motivated by greed? What is greed? Is Al Gore not motivated by greed? He seems to be enjoying the wealth he accumulated from the success of his film.

Originally Posted by Upton

Exxon Mobil doesn't "know it's all BS", they just know wide acceptance of the science, which indicates man is contributing to global warming, potentially means government regulations. After all, can't have that, could cut into those record profits.

If Environmental groups are distorting science why shouldn’t Exxon Mobile support skeptics to correct them?