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Old 07-05-2007, 08:48 PM
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EVERYDAY... I hear the word socialism thrown around "wrongly" in most cases. I want the neocons and republicans and us progressives to see if we can come to a common definition and perhaps the discuss idea of socialism itself.
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Socialism refers to a broad array of movements which aim to improve society through collective action and to a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community.[1] This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state or worker ownership of the means of production.
The modern socialist movement had its origin largely in the working class movement of the 19th century. The Industrial Revolution had brought many economic and social changes. Factory owners became very wealthy, while long hours and impoverishment faced the factory workers.[2]. Socialists criticised the suffering and injustices resulting from the concentration of property in the hands of the capitalist class.
Socialists have differed in their vision of socialism as a system of economic organization. Some socialists have championed the complete nationalization of the means of production, while social democrats have proposed selective nationalization of key industries within the framework of mixed economies. Some argued that the 1945 post-war socialist governments had abolished capitalism and that socialism was the practice of socialist government,[3] while others have supported nationalising the "commanding heights" of the economy under democractic workers' control.[4]
Some Marxists, including those inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including Communists in Yugoslavia in the 1960s and Hungary in the 1970s and 1980s, Chinese Communists since the reform era, and some Western economists, have proposed various forms of market socialism, attempting to reconcile cooperative or state ownership of the means of production with market forces, which guide production and exchange in place of central planners.[5]
Anarcho-syndicalists and some elements of the U.S. New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils. Others may advocate different arrangements.
The Socialist International, the affiliate body for most of the world's social democratic parties, such as the Socialist Party of France, describes socialism as "an international movement for freedom, social justice and solidarity"[6]
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This two bit trailor trash could never make a honest informed discusion about this topic. This thread is doomed to go the route all threads with these rednecks go. Partisan bullshit and lame ass cutdowns.
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Nazi, I will look for your posts on this thread. I think it has the chance to be an interesting thread.
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This two bit trailor trash could never make a honest informed discusion about this topic. This thread is doomed to go the route all threads with these rednecks go. Partisan bullshit and lame ass cutdowns.
DUDE ! TRAILER !!!!!! SPELL IT OUT LOUD T-R-A-I-L-E-R ! Idiot !
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I have decided he could be like the board mascot , kind of like the weird dude that lives in the old TRAILER that kids are told to stay away from .
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IHTNR...does not like socialism to be compared to communism at all Rob.....you confuse him the facts of such. SOCIALISM DEFINED: 1.Political system of "COMMUNAL OWNERSHIP": a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated to equity and fairness "rather than market principles". 2. Movement based on socialism: any of several movements or theories of the 19th and 20th centuries based on principles of socialism, "typically advocating and end to private property" and the exploitation of workers. 3. stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism.

Now lets debate...with the facts set before us....and not opinions. BD
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IHTNR...does not like socialism to be compared to communism at all Rob.....you confuse him the facts of such. SOCIALISM DEFINED: 1.Political system of "COMMUNAL OWNERSHIP": a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated to equity and fairness "rather than market principles". 2. Movement based on socialism: any of several movements or theories of the 19th and 20th centuries based on principles of socialism, "typically advocating and end to private property" and the exploitation of workers. 3. stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism.

Now lets debate...with the facts set before us....and not opinions. BD

Native Americans practiced a form of socialism, and still do to an extent, without a move into communism. Their form of socialism has lasted hundreds of years.
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