Socialism: A Discussion

Dom1 · #**321** (**permalink**) 07-12-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Who gives a shit about Hoover, you brought him up to deflect and his plans for fixing the great depression WERE VERY DIFFERENT than FDR's... you know how I know that? FDR BEAT HIS FUCKING ASS... admit that. If you don't I'll post the proof again that you fail constantly to comment on.

You began the farming sidebar about subsidies and I explained to you how farming works and why the system changed after wwi crash. FDR did artifically inflate prices, he returned to the point they were pre-war SO THAT THE FARMER COULD KEEP HIS LAND AND KEEP GROWING FOOD. When things get fucked up they have to fixed or for that matter REGULATED.

And you still won't admit that it was industrialist great and the completely topsided distribution of wealth that caused the depression in the first place.

So you break it down for you... because you are slow.

Good Guys = IHTNR and FDR
Bad Guys = Dom and the Greedy Capitalists who collapsed the system.

Watching the news tonight and seeing the DOW hit a new record in our shacky economy gives me chills when I think of the similarities between their time and ours.
Bad Guys -

I brought up Hoover and showed you how FDR continued some of his policies. I even gave you specific legislation and policies and you skipped over them because you could form no response. You were wrong and you knew it. If you didn't know you were wrong then I suspect that you could have at least formulated a response.

Now in the second paragraph you are just making things up. I showed you a socialistic price control practice to artificially raise prices and you said that was NOT what he was doing. Now you are saying he did artificially raise the prices. So, once again, you were wrong and now admit it.

The topsided distrubution of wealth is one of many theories. It is much more complex than that. Again, according to you this would not have been present six years into FDR's term but the worst crash in history happened in 1938. Explain that one.

FDR adopted some of Hoover's policies and Tugwell, the guy who helped write the AAA, said that the New Deal was "extrapolated from earlier Hoover policies."

Dom1 · #**322** (**permalink**) 07-12-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Dom if there were shortages then crop and livestock prices should have been throught the roof.... fact is there was OVER STOCK, how much proof of this do you need.

No dom I'm not agree with you... You want me to say that FDR was socialist and I don't believe was... you are using the word socialistic and I'm talking socialism... FDR DID NOT INSTITUTE SOCIALISM This has been my point all along and that is the only point I'll make.

You can try to put words in my mouth but it isn't going to work...

Now answer the question asshole... Did FDR save Capitalism?

Answered it several times dumbass. FDR didn't bring us out of the Depression. World War II did and the regulations which were put into place were meant merely to try to prevent something this horrible from happening again. Fact is, there were other crashes and Depressions and this one got out of control. It shouldn't have. Not for eleven years.

I didn't even say FDR was a socialist. I said the New Deal was socialistic, which it was. Do you understand that the New Deal was socialism? There are varying degrees of socialism. Socialistic countries in Europe still have capitalism as well. They are mixed economies also but have more socialism in them than what we have. Mixed means a combination.

Dom1 · #**323** (**permalink**) 07-12-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THE POLICIES OF FDR BROUGHT US OUT OF THE DEPRESSION. His use of the government to "sustain" the country and his obvious desire to enter to the war (which was no small matter) all lead to the country regaining it's and renewing it's "balance" of Capitalism as creature, a creature that must be controled.

What specific polices brought us out of the Depression? Tell me how they accomplished these this.

Dom1 · #**324** (**permalink**) 07-12-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

And for that matter does Capitalism need to be controlled or does "free market" dictate policy?

Capitalism does need some regulation. The free market should dictate pricing.

bluedog · #**325** (**permalink**) 07-12-2007, 11:30 PM

Just what right does the government have to tell the "private" citizen just what he can nor can not do with his personal property....other than that of National Defense needs of taking property in fair recompense for the purpose of infrastructure needs of the entire nation? Just where in the constitution does it give the government the right to control and regulate prices...incomes...or the livelyhood of any individual citizen? It does not unless opined to do so by some bleeding heart form the bench. To find any such laws regulating any of this....one must look upon the legislative branch of government and the laws that they have been placed upon the books....by the will of the people....as the Supreme Court has no "authority" under the constitution to regulate anything...other than laws already in place. BD