I believe it was you who used the phrase "Mixed Economy" earlier in the debate.

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

You said that FDR and his policies brought us out of the Depression. I understand why you are reversing course now since I asked you to point to specific policies that did this.

If people were going hungry then there would have been demand. The farmers would not have made as much money, but they would not have given it away. Capitalism would be letting the market determine the price.

Again, do you not recognize that you are saying that FDR artificially raised the prices despite telling me that I was wrong when I told you that? Funny. Now you are just trying to justify it. Fine, I agree he helped the large farmers out by doing this, but he also hurt the consumers who had no jbs and now their food prices just went up. You think that is OK. I don't. We disagree on that, but you did agree I was right and you were wrong about the artificial raising of prices.

And I said there were aspects of socialism in the New Deal. Price controls are some.

I can give you links to politicians saying a lot of things. Is that the new standard on what is true and what isn't?

Of course I did. We have a mixed economy even now. Do you have a point? Mixed economy would mean some socialism.

I pointed out the similar policies. So you were wrong on the first one.

You now admit that FDR DID artificially raise the agricultural prices. Wrong again.

You aren't doing very well.

I wouldn't go that far Nazi, but I will say there was a lot of socialism in his plan. Some socialistic policies are needed though.

Then Dom... explain to me why there wasn't any demand. I've already explained to you but you keep failing to listen.

YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THE POLICIES OF FDR BROUGHT US OUT OF THE DEPRESSION. His use of the government to "sustain" the country and his obvious desire to enter to the war (which was no small matter) all lead to the country regaining it's and renewing it's "balance" of Capitalism as creature, a creature that must be controled.

Admit it, FDR saved capitalism while being hailed as the socialist president of the 20th century. Oh, and just because there were aspect of his policies that reflect socialist practices doesn't make it socialism. That is all I said and you don't seem to be able to find anything to refute that.

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

Who gives a shit about Hoover, you brought him up to deflect and his plans for fixing the great depression WERE VERY DIFFERENT than FDR's... you know how I know that? FDR BEAT HIS FUCKING ASS... admit that. If you don't I'll post the proof again that you fail constantly to comment on.

You began the farming sidebar about subsidies and I explained to you how farming works and why the system changed after wwi crash. FDR didn't artifically inflate prices, he returned to the point they were pre-war SO THAT THE FARMER COULD KEEP HIS LAND AND KEEP GROWING FOOD. When things get fucked up they have to fixed or for that matter REGULATED.

And you still won't admit that it was industrialist great and the completely topsided distribution of wealth that caused the depression in the first place.

So you break it down for you... because you are slow.

Good Guys = IHTNR and FDR
Bad Guys = Dom and the Greedy Capitalists who collapsed the system.


Watching the news tonight and seeing the DOW hit a new record in our shacky economy gives me chills when I think of the similarities between their time and ours.
Bad Guys -

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

There was demand for food. There were food shortages. Farmers didn't want to supply the food at those prices so FDR artificially raised the prices. You agree with me. What is the problem? You already admitted you were wrong so why keep admitting it?

You are now saying that it was FDR's policies which led us out of the Depression. Tell me which specific policies and how they lef us out of the Depression.

World War II got us out of the Depression. What FDR did (and Hoover started) was to support unions and create systems which would attempt to prevent something like this from happening again.

What is to refute? You are agreeing with me now. You are saying that he did implement socialistic policies.

Dom if there were shortages then crop and livestock prices should have been throught the roof.... fact is there was OVER STOCK, how much proof of this do you need.

No dom I'm not agree with you... You want me to say that FDR was socialist and I don't believe was... you are using the word socialistic and I'm talking socialism... FDR DID NOT INSTITUTE SOCIALISM This has been my point all along and that is the only point I'll make.

You can try to put words in my mouth but it isn't going to work...

Now answer the question asshole... Did FDR save Capitalism?

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11

And for that matter does Capitalism need to be controlled or does "free market" dictate policy?

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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

— Benjamin Franklin

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.

John Adams from the " Treaty of Tripoly, article 11